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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Mar 5, 2018 12:04:27 GMT -5
^ I noticed that pun, but I thought, "Nah, it's too easy." I second-guessed myself. I probably should have just used it.
I think 5-7 might be a sweet spot for most seasons, but I don't mind large teams every once in a while. I think what matters most is how it's approached and executed. I think Kyoryuger did it well and Kyuranger did it poorly. I still think that how they approached it with Kyuranger could have worked if we got more episodes like this that focused on multiple rangers at one time, and if they paced the show as a whole way better.
However, I think Kyoryuger had the better idea. There were 10 rangers, but they were spread out among the typical character roles: 5-core team (red, black, blue, green, pink), 6th ranger (gold), reoccurring characters (cyan and grey), tech advisor (violet), and mentor (silver), and they were introduced slowly over the course of the show. Kyuranger introduced the whole 9-core team in 5 episodes, RyuCommander in episode 8 and 9, Koguma SkyBlue one episode later, then Houou Soldier in episode 21. With that approach, Kyuranger was destined to have a harder time balancing all those characters.
As for LvP, it feels like the show is hard-wired to favor the Lupinrangers: The have the better suits, the better characters, the better weapons, the better-looking zords, and even the better theme song (although I still love Patranger's theme), but in the case of the megazords, PatKaiser won me over, and I like this mecha battle more than LupinKaiser's. While LupinKaiser has the better design, I think PatKaiser is cooler.
As for "if the staff actually realized Lucky and Stinger weren't the only characters", if I remember right, you said you didn't watch all of Kyuranger, and that you didn't even get to Houou Soldier yet. If you're judging by just those episodes, the show does feel like it leans heavily on them, but later on, the show does focus on some other characters. The problem is, most of those episodes are stupid. You said you liked Balance and Naga, and they actually get their own arc, and I think you might like those episodes, but Hammy gets a stupid idol episode, Champ gets an episodes with one of the dumbest Garu jokes ever, and if you hate Raptor already, wait until you see the payoff to that Uncle Orion thing. The level of stupidity of that payoff will blow your mind.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 5, 2018 13:05:23 GMT -5
^ Well Kyoryuger and Dekaranger had 7 main rangers and the rest were support. It made sense that there was unequal focus except for King who probably received too much. In Kyuranger, all 12 are main and therefore should've had more shared focus which in the 18 episodes that I did watch never happened.
As you say, larger teams can be managed correctly in the right hands and a big factor of Kyuranger's failure was the terrible pacing. Seriously, why did they rush Sky Blue immediately after Draco Commander's debut? Episode 9 was awesome and made me optimistic that the show was heading in a new direction, until I was proven wrong by the heavy focus on Stinger starting with the appearance of Scorpio.
Yeah I kind of lost motivation to continue watching Kyuranger due to a streak of bad episodes and GoGo Five generally being a way more tolerable and enjoyable series. I've seen pacing problems before, sometimes they get better, but 18 episodes focused mostly on 2 characters is kind of ridiculous, especially when those 2 don't even appeal to me as likable characters. Inevitably, I will return to the show in the future and a whole arc for the BN thieves sounds like something I would enjoy. What about Spada though? I think he's the only sane guy on the ship.
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Mar 5, 2018 17:01:30 GMT -5
^ I think Spada is one of the least developed characters on the show. He gets a meh focus episode with Houou Soldier and Raptor, and a focus episode down the line that I thought was just plain stupid. Honestly, I ended up not liking the character. I think he's just a bland Cilan knock-off, which wouldn't have bothered me if he just had more depth and development. I don't want to derail the thread too much, so to bring it back to LvP, what were your thoughts on episode 2, the fact that it didn't focus on the Patrangers like we all thought it would, and the fact that the show doesn't have an ending theme?
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Post by jitterdoomer on Mar 6, 2018 18:44:49 GMT -5
Since we saw the past Sentai props as a Lupin Collection, are these related to the past Sentai powers on which they're going to be explained soon just like the Morphing Grid in Power Rangers?
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Post by purplecreator on Mar 6, 2018 18:51:34 GMT -5
Yeah. The Lupin Collection Artifacts are all based on stuff from past Sentai. The Ribbon from Goggle Pink. The statue from Auric The Conqueror. The Gambling Cube on the Zyuoh Changer. The Lighter on Shishi Origami's Emblem Mode. The Artifact that's used to grow monsters is based on the Blaster Grip from GoGo-V.
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Post by crossranger on Mar 6, 2018 22:02:17 GMT -5
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I didn't notice that. That's cool. It's something like Boukenger, where the monsters are based in past Giant Robos/Megazord (even if I has to force my imagination a lot to compare Ryuuwon with Daizyuzin/ Megazord)
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Post by purplecreator on Mar 6, 2018 22:19:23 GMT -5
On Boukenger, the villains & monster were all based on zords & Megazords.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Mar 7, 2018 7:49:13 GMT -5
Well that is nice nod to past series. If or when lupin/pat is adapted I doubt power Rangers would make any big connection. It likely be just something us fans noticed but doesn't add to the actual story.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 7, 2018 11:17:40 GMT -5
What kind of incredible Lupin Collection do the Gangler generals possess in their gold safes?! Goche has the enlargement syringe, so that leaves Destra's 2 pieces and whatever Dogranio's keeping for himself. I don't want to derail the thread too much, so to bring it back to LvP, what were your thoughts on episode 2, the fact that it didn't focus on the Patrangers like we all thought it would, and the fact that the show doesn't have an ending theme? I didn't mind that episode 2 focused more on the Lupinrangers since we learned their backstory and motivation for fighting and there was also a nice scene with Kairi and Keiichirou showing that despite their differences, they have one very important thing in common, the source of their courage and determination. Even though they're rivals, I think their respect for each other will increase significantly as the series progresses due to the strong principles they share. Besides, episode 4 (which I watched RAW so far) is definitely a Patranger focus, specifically Tsukasa. I'm accustomed to no ending theme in PR and KR so it always felt like a bonus in Sentai, it's nice to have, but not necessary for my overall enjoyment. |
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Post by jitterdoomer on Mar 7, 2018 19:30:23 GMT -5
My guess that Zamigo will be Dogranio's son, just like Warz Gill who was Ackdos Gill's son since Junko Komura was the writer of both Gokaiger and this show.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Mar 8, 2018 0:03:52 GMT -5
I think keichiiro's attitude towards tsukasa's secret was how most of the fans SHOULD view it. Sure it's a little bizarre, but it's no big deal and it shouldn't change the way she is viewed
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Mar 8, 2018 5:34:24 GMT -5
It's not any kind of "secret." Women are expected to be girly and "cute" - Tsukasa would be far less appealing to the viewer (or at least, that's what Toei thinks) if she weren't. Making her embarrassed about liking plush toys is just there to enhance the cuteness factor.
Keiichirou's reaction is in character, though; an important aspect of him so far is that despite his desire to be seen as a tough, serious officer he knows how to focus on what really matters. He was willing to let the Lupinrangers handle the Gangler when the Patrangers were needed elsewhere; he accepts the softer parts of his own personality (his taste for sweets); he encourages Sakuya despite the contrast between them
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Post by crossranger on Mar 8, 2018 10:31:45 GMT -5
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I think Tsukasa tries to put a persona of professionalism, because she seems the more calm and in control of the team. When Keiichiro find her obsession for plushies, it's embarrasing for her.
She's not a teenager, she's a grown police woman, and also the most professional of the team. Of course it's embarrasing.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Mar 8, 2018 11:39:56 GMT -5
^ This is Japan, where "cute" things are marketed to women of all ages. While I can understand her not liking it that Keiichirou knows something personal about her (which she doesn't seem to like), it's fanservice; let's not pretend it's some kind of deep character trait.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 8, 2018 12:39:18 GMT -5
My guess that Zamigo will be Dogranio's son, just like Warz Gill who was Ackdos Gill's son since Junko Komura was the writer of both Gokaiger and this show. Arakawa Naruhisa was the main writer of Gokaiger. Komura's first Sentai as main writer was Zyuohger. Both Zyuohger and LupinPatren have villains who drink wine. However, Warz Gill did that as well except it was changed to "vortox juice" in Super Mega Force. What if Lupin/Patren X is a former Gangler member? It would explain why he has unique Lupin Collection. Anyway, we should really continue discussing him. People usually get more excited for the sixth ranger and this time, we have 2 in 1! I like his train mecha. I don't think I've seen a really cool giant train mecha since Kyouretsu Oh. |
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