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Post by crossranger on Mar 8, 2018 13:55:44 GMT -5
^ This is Japan, where "cute" things are marketed to women of all ages. While I can understand her not liking it that Keiichirou knows something personal about her (which she doesn't seem to like), it's fanservice; let's not pretend it's some kind of deep character trait. It's an obsession. For what I know, Japanese put different facade or even personal traits when they are in public and private. This is like the "PG version" of Yumeria/Akibayellow having her fushoji fetishism for BL hentai stuff discovered by Akagi/AkibaRed. It's still an embarrasing trait for Tsukasa, or something she's not definitely proud, at least it's what the character feels... Believe me, so far neither of LupinRanger or Patranger had deep, personal traits. And obsessions are interesting traits. If Gintama teach me something, you can make a more interesting character if it had an obsession. |
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Mar 8, 2018 14:05:06 GMT -5
LvP episode 4: With this episode, I feel like doing that thing Lindsey Ellis does in her videos: it's fine. It's...fine. This episode was fine. The first 3 episodes were brilliant, but this episode was surprisingly just...average.
The Good: I'm glad that this episode focused on a Patranger this time, because lord knows the Patrangers need some more focus, and I'm glad they went with Tsukasa, since she's the least characterized. I thought all of the stuff with the stuffed animals was funny. More on this later. A lot of the stuff that was great about the other episodes were also great here, too. I love the action, especially that first one. Those camera movements are just freaking fantastic. I like the dynamic with Lupinrangers and the Patrangers, especially when Umika told the Patrangers about what the monster's piece of the Lupin collection does, and Kairi is understanding of that. I like Good Striker, and how much he doesn't care about either side. I think it adds an interesting dynamic to the mecha scenes. I like that we get to hear a little of the mecha theme for LupinKaiser, which confirms to me that each combination has their own theme. I thought they would do something similar to Delta Mega or Max Liner (which by the way is one of my favorite mecha themes) where the song is about both combinations, or the Kyoryu Red Carnival where it's the same song, but different lyrics for each combination, and I would have been okay with either of those, but they actually get their own unique mecha theme, and I like that. Just from the little I've heard, I think I prefer PatKaiser's theme, but I really want to hear the whole song to be sure. I hope each team gets their own battle theme song, and I think they will, because the music that played during the fight in the forest sounded more like an instrumental for a song than just a normal BGM.
The Bad: I guess I can't consider this a flaw, but because last episode looked like it was gonna be a just a Touma focus episode, and it focused on both him and Sakuya, I assumed that since this episode looked like it was gonna focus on Tsukasa, I thought it would also focus on Umika. DosmRider pointed out in his review of last episode that people expect these episodes to be symmetrical, and that might not be the case, but like I pointed out, as much as I appreciate this show trying to not be formulaic, no one would care if they alternated between the teams like that. As for Tsukasa, since last week gave us this deep character episode for Touma along with a decent character episode for Sakuya, I thought we would get at least one of those for Tsukasa, but her part of this episode is just this one joke. It was a funny joke, but I don't get what purpose it served. We learned she likes stuffed animals, and that she's embarrassed by that, but what did she take away from this episode? What were we supposed to take away? It feels like this episode only exists to give us the exposition that she likes stuffed animals, and that's it. That's kinda lame. I think Tsukasa is the biggest weak link of the show so far. It feels like the Patrangers are only here to be laughed at, and that's disappointing. At least as far as we know now, the Patrangers don't have any deep backstories like the Lupinrangers have, but I feel like there's more that can be done with them. I feel like, if Junko can write great Lupinranger characters, why can't she do the same for the Patrangers? LvP episode 3:Also, something else I forgot to mention in my last post is that I find Goche's theme jarringly hilarious. It sounds like someone trying to sing a sexy version of Wizard's henshin. Also, did anyone else notice that in just the last 10 years, 5 of those female villains (Metal Alice, Insarn, Kyuemon (if you want to count it), Naria, and Goche) are just there to grow the monster? I'm actually curious to hear Kaizoku Blue's thoughts on this. Kaizoku Blue, I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Final thoughts: This episode felt like filler, done on purpose because the last 2 episodes tended to be more dramatic, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it could have been more. I can't call it a bad episode. I just think it's...okay.
Next episode: Now, next episode, however, looks exciting. It's cool seeing PatKaiser in a nighttime battle, and seeing Destra joining in on the fight. I love seeing both reds go at it, and I also love the line "We're thieves because we have no other choice!" Hopefully this starts Keiichiro on a character arc where he learns that the Lupinrangers aren't as bad as he thinks they are, and that in a way, they're the victims. We'll see.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Mar 8, 2018 15:32:44 GMT -5
^ I agree, in recent years it's mostly been something they give to the female villain (or in Kyoryuger's case, to Luckyuro who is a child - Sentai will often pair a child with the only woman on the team or only woman on the villain side.) I'm not sure why that would be, maybe it's come to be seen as a "tradition"; but it makes me wonder if they feel it looks kind of silly and thus don't want to give it to a male character, who tend to be presented as the main villains
I think the ep was a little deeper than JUST "Tsukasa likes soft toys": it did tell us a little more about her. She doesn't want others, even Keiichirou who is an old friend, to get too close or know too much personal information about her and she is concerned with upholding her image. But, yeah, it did feel disappointing next to the other focus eps we've had recently
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Post by cd on Mar 9, 2018 7:44:49 GMT -5
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Post by xman on Mar 9, 2018 14:41:31 GMT -5
I just saw the subbed version of episode 4, today. Now, you're probably going to hate me when I say this. I F@#$'N HATE TSUKASA'S CHARACTER IN THIS EPISODE!!! I can't stand her girly attitude and I am not going to taker her very seriously as a pink ranger in later episodes. I mean, how the Hell could Toei make a sentai pink that is even worse than Kagura/Toq #5, Amy/Kyoryu Pink and Mei/Ptera Ranger?! You just have hug a stuff animal and all of sudden, that's your bad-ass sentai pink for the show?! Seriously?! Ahim was a better Pink than Tsukasa, even Tsukasa Kadoya makes a far better pink than her. AND HE'S A F@#&'N KAMEN RIDER THAT IS PASSING THROUGH!!!! God!!! This really irritates me. Well, at least Lupin Yellow has more potential as a character than Tsukasa, so far.
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Mar 9, 2018 18:14:48 GMT -5
^ I agree, in recent years it's mostly been something they give to the female villain (or in Kyoryuger's case, to Luckyuro who is a child - Sentai will often pair a child with the only woman on the team or only woman on the villain side.) I'm not sure why that would be, maybe it's come to be seen as a "tradition"; but it makes me wonder if they feel it looks kind of silly and thus don't want to give it to a male character, who tend to be presented as the main villains I think the ep was a little deeper than JUST "Tsukasa likes soft toys": it did tell us a little more about her. She doesn't want others, even Keiichirou who is an old friend, to get too close or know too much personal information about her and she is concerned with upholding her image. But, yeah, it did feel disappointing next to the other focus eps we've had recently "Come to be seen as tradition" That's funny to me, because this show touted itself as trying so hard to be different, but we still get the same plain generic villain setup. I guess you do have a point. I think the thing that's missing for me is some kind of pathos. Something to emotionally connect me to the character. The stuff with Sakuya wasn't as dark as the stuff with the Lupinrangers, but I could get behind it. With Tsukasa, she's embarrassed that people knows she likes stuffed animals? Not only is that not something worth being embarrassed about, but no one else cares, and it's not a big deal to anyone. What was the story? What was the point? I just saw the subbed version of episode 4, today. Now, you're probably going to hate me when I say this. I F@#$'N HATE TSUKASA'S CHARACTER IN THIS EPISODE!!! I can't stand her girly attitude and I am not going to taker her very seriously as a pink ranger in later episodes. I mean, how the Hell could Toei make a sentai pink that is even worse than Kagura/Toq #5, Amy/Kyoryu Pink and Mei/Ptera Ranger?! You just have hug a stuff animal and all of sudden, that's your bad-ass sentai pink for the show?! Seriously?! Ahim was a better Pink than Tsukasa, even Tsukasa Kadoya makes a far better pink than her. AND HE'S A F@#&'N KAMEN RIDER THAT IS PASSING THROUGH!!!! God!!! This really irritates me. Well, at least Lupin Yellow has more potential as a character than Tsukasa, so far. No one's gonna hate you for saying you hate Tsukasa. She is a weak character. I don't hate her, and it doesn't bother me that you do. What does bother me is your rants. You can't be that angry. It's just a TV show. Calm down. You don't need to use bolds and exclamation points. Can you please stop the "angry fanboy" shtick? I can't take you seriously when you do that, and it makes you look immature. |
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 10, 2018 9:49:46 GMT -5
I just watched episode 4. Finally some focus on Tsukasa. I don't understand why people are getting mad about her love of plushies. If she didn't have a flaw, she'd just be another boring mary sue cop. It's not even a big part of her character, it was supposed to be an innocent habit for the sake of comedy. Yeah sure, she ain't the best pink I've seen, but she's still 1000000x better than Amy, Raptor and Rin. The whole point of this episode was that liking plushies doesn't make Tsukasa any less of a bad*ss cop. I'm sure it's applicable to real life with people who hide their plushies since it's not "cool" or "mature". Who cares? Keiichirou respected her even after he found out, that's a good friend. It doesn't matter if she's a girly girl or not.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Mar 10, 2018 12:04:04 GMT -5
^ It's not a flaw; it's there to make her "cute" to the audience. And I wouldn't say Keiichirou is particularly being a good friend, since he doesn't think anything of it - like noticing what flavour soda she likes, or something like that. Being a good friend would be if he actually thought she'd done something foolish or reprehensible but continued to support her; as he does with Sakuya despite Sakuya's frequent mistakes
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Post by crossranger on Mar 10, 2018 13:14:15 GMT -5
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I don't know if you people believe it's a flaw or not, but she actually did something stupid, that's hugging an evidence piece. That shark plushie thing is somewhat connected to a Gangler, and come on: This is Super Sentai. In which situation an object connected to a monster it doesn't mean bad news?
Of course, her screw-up means she discover the warp plot and helps to rescue the missing people, but for other part, she went alone to a monster lair, with no back-up. This is like saying, "cop goes alone to a bust full of criminals without reinforcements". In the middle of the fight, the monster had the upper hand, and she seems worried, so if Keiichiro didn't remember that obsession with plushies, she would be probably gone.
And it's an obsession. She seems very anxious for hugging that plush. She even had to restrain herself in moments. Even she said "Heal me, please" (And I mean WTF), that, in some obsessions it's called ritual. It's like a variation of OTC (obsessive-compulsive dissorder). It's a form to release anxiety.
I'm probably giving too much credit to the writers. Probably you're right, and they giving the character a kawaii aspect, because probably they don't want a really though woman, instead a genuine obsession. But hell, I prefer this, over the Misao Mondo/Zyuoh the World "depression" aspect of his personality. I mean, it's good to have an instropect character, who have lack of self-confidence, who, with the time, gains that confidence to keep growing as a person, but, I HATE THEY USED IT AS CONSTANT JOKE. I HATE IT.
I don't have problem with Tsukasa. She's not the worst, not Pink, nor female Ranger (sincerily not the best neither). Probably my vote goes to Momo/OhPink, and Hammy, last year. Hammy specifically DID NOTHING WORTHY OR ANYTHING IN RELEVANCE.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Mar 10, 2018 13:25:45 GMT -5
^ Tsukasa didn't deliberately go to take on a monster alone, though. She had no idea that was what would happen if she hugged the plush. Playing around with evidence like that IS a stupid thing to do (especially something taken from the Gangler), but no one ever points this out or treats it as a problem - even Keiichirou
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Post by crossranger on Mar 10, 2018 14:01:10 GMT -5
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I don't think she did it on purpose, but that trait bring her trouble. Of course she solved the case, but that was merely accidental. And the rest of course, didn't think that's a problem. But anyway, it was pretty stupid of her part.
Now I rewatched the episode, I have the problem that the case was solved (or the warp plot) for accident. There wasn't real "detective" investigation. In fact, you could say the Tsukasa's obsession for plushies, made her notice the plushie stand with the monster, but the clues were connected when the LupinRangers showed up and destroyed the monster's disguise. For a moment, I thought they could use this as a way to resolve the "closed room" mistery, but nah.
If they made Tsukasa notice the plushies in other houses, she could lead to a "A-ha. The plushies are the key of all of this. But how?." moment. But, no. The writers could use this as a way to lead to her obsessions, and also detective work. Everybody knows Sherlock. And that guy has obsessions.
The other moment it's the Jim Carter's hidden camera. I dunno why didn't use it to knew what Tsukasa did. It was more contrived the whole "Keiichiro and Sakuya rubbing their faces ankwardly with the plushie", because Keiichiro remember the obsession. Meh.
It wasn't the best episode. I still don't think she is "the worst of the worst" as someone claims, but I don't believe the rest of the PatRangers is somewhat memorable either. Keiichiro is the Zenigata to Kairi's Lupin III, with anger issues and all. And Sakuya is an inept/idiot/unprofessional, which in the last episode had a boost of confidence, and growt as a more professional cop, something Tsukasa already is. Tsukasa, plushies and all, is still the more competent of the three. And we are still in ep 4. So far, I'm still midly interested in the premise, and I don't hate characters at all. And I'm comparing it with other Sentais, like Ninninger; in this time I was dropping it for Takaharu's idiocy and the plot not going anywhere, or Kyuranger, which I was starting to lose patience around ep4.
So, the jury is still debating about this series.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 10, 2018 16:07:46 GMT -5
^ I don't know if you people believe it's a flaw or not, but she actually did something stupid, that's hugging an evidence piece. That shark plushie thing is somewhat connected to a Gangler, and come on: This is Super Sentai. In which situation an object connected to a monster it doesn't mean bad news? Of course, her screw-up means she discover the warp plot and helps to rescue the missing people, but for other part, she went alone to a monster lair, with no back-up. This is like saying, "cop goes alone to a bust full of criminals without reinforcements". In the middle of the fight, the monster had the upper hand, and she seems worried, so if Keiichiro didn't remember that obsession with plushies, she would be probably gone. And it's an obsession. She seems very anxious for hugging that plush. She even had to restrain herself in moments. Even she said "Heal me, please" (And I mean WTF), that, in some obsessions it's called ritual. It's like a variation of OTC (obsessive-compulsive dissorder). It's a form to release anxiety. I'm probably giving too much credit to the writers. Probably you're right, and they giving the character a kawaii aspect, because probably they don't want a really though woman, instead a genuine obsession. But hell, I prefer this, over the Misao Mondo/Zyuoh the World "depression" aspect of his personality. I mean, it's good to have an instropect character, who have lack of self-confidence, who, with the time, gains that confidence to keep growing as a person, but, I HATE THEY USED IT AS CONSTANT JOKE. I HATE IT. I don't have problem with Tsukasa. She's not the worst, not Pink, nor female Ranger (sincerily not the best neither). Probably my vote goes to Momo/OhPink, and Hammy, last year. Hammy specifically DID NOTHING WORTHY OR ANYTHING IN RELEVANCE. I think the flaw is Tsukasa's reluctance to admit she likes plushies to her friends since she wants to maintain that serious no nonsense cop image. It's surprising that Loveroom's victims had no witnesses. If Tsukasa fell for the trap when the others were in the same room, there wouldn't be a problem. Y'know, now that you bring it up, I agree that the Zyuohgers could've been more sympathetic of Misao's depression. There were times when they snapped him out of it though, with tough love and motivation. It was a crazy tonal whiplash when I pity his depression but the characters ignore it. Kind of like Kyoryuger when I realize I'm the only one laughing at Nobuharu's jokes. Sometimes these guys are hard to relate to when they don't respond to a situation in the way you'd expect. Anyway, what's your problem with Momo? |
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Post by crossranger on Mar 10, 2018 16:38:51 GMT -5
Anyway, what's your problem with Momo? Momo is there. She did nothing particulary irritating. But is like "feminine Pink Ranger" is her whole personality. Is like...there. Nothing stands out. Except bikini scenes... EDIT: Probably is my displeasure for the whole OhRanger season. I find it awful. But from my memory (I watched 6-7 years ago), OhPink is boring, and nothing remarkable. |
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Post by purplecreator on Mar 10, 2018 17:42:45 GMT -5
I collect some plushes. But I use them as cosplay props.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Mar 10, 2018 20:11:48 GMT -5
"Come to be seen as tradition" That's funny to me, because this show touted itself as trying so hard to be different, but we still get the same plain generic villain setup. The show's playing it safe because the premise itself is different. They're trying a Sentai first, but at the same time they don't want to risk sales by being "too" different, so most other elements of the show are kept as normal: conventional colour scheme and suit designs, robot buddy, standard villain setup, etc. |
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