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Post by sixthrangerfan on Feb 12, 2018 16:54:54 GMT -5
Not problem, new series usually take awhile for the first few episodes on KA
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Feb 12, 2018 18:22:43 GMT -5
Finished watching episode. Solid set up for the season. Both teams seem nice. And good building of the two teams. Same with the villain group. Some good fights through the episode. Though some things I don't like is the pat rangers robot assistant he deem a bit more of the goofy type. Also there was some very questionable cg effects in a few scenes.
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Post by xman on Feb 12, 2018 21:45:57 GMT -5
So, remind me again....why do we even need to have these two sentai teams fighting each other again, if their common goals are to retrieve the Lupin Collection and defeat the Gangler?!
Wouldn't it be much easier to have the Lupinrangers work for the GSPO as an undercover division while the Patorangers act as their superiors keeping tabs on them and making sure that they go by the book?! Why not make the show be like the Lethal Weapon movies, where we have one set of heroes who are like these laced-up police officers who uphold the law by following the rules and regulations of the GSPO handbook, and the other team are just the rookies who act on instincts and do things off the grid?! That might be an interesting premise for this show other than being "Cops and Robbers". I am just saying.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Feb 13, 2018 3:05:49 GMT -5
because that would be boring, Toei said the era after Zyuohger would bring new dynamics. Kyuranger broke the barrier with 12 and set itself in a whole other universe. Unlike past seasons, this one was blatant about it. Lupin and Pat not only gives us 2 teams, but it will give us a 6th that plays both sides.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Feb 13, 2018 4:57:06 GMT -5
So, remind me again....why do we even need to have these two sentai teams fighting each other again, if their common goals are to retrieve the Lupin Collection and defeat the Gangler?! Because it's pretty much for different reasons and they don't have the exact same goal. And the Lupinrangers can do things their own way without having to work under an organization that the Patrangers also work on. Plus, it makes for an interesting story to have opposing sentai teams, while having neither one of them be the "bad" guys but still having the two teams fighting. |
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Post by Sh Ranger on Feb 13, 2018 13:17:43 GMT -5
I just watched the amazing first episode of Kaito Sentai Lupinranger VS Keisatsu Sentai Patranger (which for reference I will call Lupin vs Patren in the future due to convenience) and I enjoyed it! This series has great potential with 2 opposing teams fighting the Gangler. The characters are really interesting and the way they interact as allies and rivals. Kairi's French is a throwback to Arsene Lupin who was fluent in that language. I think Kairi is a "Marvelous type" red since he's not serious but not screaming like recent reds. He's actually pretty cool in his debut. Touma is the serious member of the three and Umika is humorous, like when she gave up their stealth after seeing a spider. Kogure uses French like Kairi, which is natural since he's the descendant of Lupin.
Keiichirou is the most serious of everyone, he's obsessed with catching the Lupinrangers and Gangler and has a very strict black and white opinion of crime. Unlike the civilians who look up to the Lupinrangers as charming vigilantes. Sakuya is the Patrangers' comedy which is necessary since both of his comrades are kind of serious. Tsukasa hasn't really stood out as a character yet, needs focus. I appreciate the first non-Asian mentor on their team though, he's cool. Jim Carter has folding arms, maybe a charging mode or something.
Dogranio and the Gangler generals have gold safes instead of silver so it looks like they have the strongest Lupin Collection inside them. Maybe the Lupinrangers won't be able to crack those so easily. Interesting how these guys are basically the alien Mafia with a mansion base. Dogranio plans on retiring and offers his position to anyone who can destroy humanity. What kind of incredible powers will their special Collection grant them?! Furthermore, why is Kogure after them and keeping Kairi out of the loop about his intentions? Maybe he's the Patrangers' benefactor as well, giving them the VS Changers.
Amazing action in the casino and climax fight, the Lupinrangers are really showy and have a calling card for the cops. Looking forward to how the tables will turn now that their pursuers are a Sentai now. Wow, the cops and robbers premise was a revolutionary idea for the next Super Sentai! Now I can watch ongoing Sentai once more after Zyuohger ended. Komura Junko can make this a series for history.
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Feb 14, 2018 22:09:11 GMT -5
LvP Episode 1: I almost don't know where to start with this show, because I thought this episode was freaking brilliant. By my toku standards, this was a perfect sentai premiere. In the immortal words of Casey Williams, this is the day I've been waiting for. After being let down year after year with every sentai that came after Kyoryuger, this might be the new sentai that can actually make me invested, and could actually make my top 10. The Good: The short answer is "everything", but to elaborate, I like all of the characters, the pacing, the setup of the plot, and the action. With the characters, judging from the trailers and bios, I had a theory about what characteristics they were going for, and I came up with: Lupin Red: Masato Jin (Beet Buster), Lupin Blue: Joe (Gokai Blue), Lupin Yellow: Natsuki (Bouken Yellow), Pat1: Gunpei (Go-On Black), Pat2: Hanto (Go-On Green), and Pat3: Mako (Shinken Pink), and for the most part, I think I've been spot on. I love how the Lupinrangers have the swag of the Gokaigers, and I'm all for it. I also love the Lupinrangers' henshin and roll call, and the fact that they smirk as their helmets form. That's a great touch.
These past 4 sentais feel like they've been trying to ape the success and the silly goofy charm of Kyoryuger, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it feels like they've been going overboard, and have been more focused on that tone than creating good characters and a solid story. Granted, I don't think ToQger and Zyuohger are bad, but they are meh to me, and Ninninger and Kyuranger are examples of shows that tried way too hard to be Kyoryuger, to their detriment. However, using Gokaiger instead as inspiration was a great idea to get SS back on track. Kairi (Lupin Red, also insert Kingdom Hearts reference here) kinda reminds me of a young Marvelous, and I like that Tooma (Lupin Blue) and Umika (Lupin Yellow) also have a big brother and little sister dynamic, which reminds me of Ryuji (Blue Buster) and Yoko (Yellow Buster) from Go-Busters.
I've also been hearing people compare the Patrangers to the Dekarangers (which is another of my favorite sentais), but aside from them being police, I don't see it. The Patrangers don't remind me of any of the Dekarangers, and as much as I love Dekaranger, I'm okay with that. The Patrangers are actually less prominent in this episode, and because of that, they have less characterization, and I'm fine with that, because this show has plenty of time to set them up, so they don't need to rush and do it in the first episode. I like Hilltop (Zone) and Jim Carter, which I think is a funny name for the robot assistance. Knowing that Hilltop was gonna be played by a non-Asian actor, I thought he was gonna be an obnoxious, annoying stereotype, but from the little I've seen, I think he's a fun character. It's funny, I was expecting him to be a joke character like Xiao, and he's not, and this is what I was expecting with Xiao, but didn't get. As for the pacing, thank freaking god there's no mecha battle in this episode. I have nothing against them inherently, but it feels like SS is always in a rush to show off the next toy, instead of having the action serve the story. We have 47-51 episodes, and we don't need to have a mecha battle in the premiere if the show will be better paced without it. Just look at Kyuranger, and how even with all of those rangers, they still forced a mecha battle in the premiere. Like I said, I have no problem with mecha battles in the premiere inherently, because Gokaiger did it, but it worked there because all of the rangers were already together and had their powers, so we didn't need to set that up. Here, we have 2 teams to establish, so having a mecha battle wasn't warranted, and we got to spend more time setting up the plot and the characters.
As for the plot, I like the setup with the villains. I always appreciate it when the villain setup is more than just generically wanting to rule the world or just revive the main big bad. Dogranio essentially wanting someone to take over his spot as the main villain is kinda cool, and I hope it leads to some interesting character conflict between the villains. The stuff with the Lupin collection is all intriguing. It reminds me of Boukenger, which is not a bad thing. I also like that we get the exposition that the morphers are part of the collection, which makes it more intriguing that the Patrangers got them. I like the idea of the civilians seeing the Lupinrangers as heroes, and how that conflicts with Keiichiro's view. I also find Kogure intriguing. I think something's up with him, and I don't exactly trust him. We know that the Lupinrangers became Lupinrangers to find their missing loved ones, and I hope the show deals with that drama, because that could go a long way to developing these characters, which I hope happens, because this is the head writer of Zyuohger, and lord knows that show could have used more character development.
As for the action, this may be the best action I've seen in a sentai since Ninninger, maybe even Gokaiger. The beginning one and especially the ending one may be 2 of my favorite action scenes in a sentai, ever. The camerawork was just freaking fantastic. We got some of that in Kyuranger, which is understandable since it's the same director, and I thought the action in Kyuranger was really good, but I think the action in this episode trumps anything in Kyuranger (at least, as far as none mecha battles). The Bad: I've heard some complaints that the Patrangers weren't as prominent in this episode, and that doesn't bother me at all. I actually have nothing bad to say about this episode...except for one thing. I hope to freaking god this is similar what they did with Ex-Aid where they are forgoing the ending theme in just this episode to make more time to flesh things out, and I hope this isn't a permanent thing. I like ending themes, and if they're planing on getting rid of them after doing them for 41 seasons, that would be lame. I get they want to do things differently, but Go-Busters also did things differently, and even that show had a dance ending. I hope they play the individual openings at the end. That would be cool. I would take a lame one like Abaranger's and Ninninger's. Heck, they don't even have to be the dance themes. I'll even take the lame ballads like Jetman, Megaranger, Gingaman, GoGo V, Gaoranger, and Hurricaneger. Just don't up and stop cold turkey on them. This may be my biggest disappointment of the episode. Then again, it's my only one. Final thoughts: I freaking loved this episode. This might be the best sentai premiere since Go-Busters or Gokaiger, and will definitely make my list of favorite sentai premieres next to Gokaiger, Timeranger, and Jetman. It's not hard to make a good first episode, and I've been burned before, because I like Kyuranger's, Hurricaneger's, and Megaranger's first episodes, but with this one, there's something different. I can tell there's thought and talent going into this episode. I think we might have something here. This was how I was expecting to feel about Kyuranger, and I don't mean to keep harping on that show, but man, was it a massive disappointment. Now I know I don't want Nobuhiro Mori anywhere near a sentai ever again. Next episode: It looks like the Lupinrangers and the Patrangers are going at it, and it looks like we're getting the mecha battle in this episode. I like the fact that GoodStriker is sentient, and LupinKaiser looks cool. It looks like it's gonna be another great episode. It feels so good to actually be excited about a new sentai again.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Feb 15, 2018 15:31:01 GMT -5
^ Kudos for the Casey Williams reference.
I agree that this premiere was pretty awesome by Sentai standards. It had a steady pace, great action scenes, classic rivalry, espionage, intriguing characters and a cliffhanger ending. I thought it was a good idea to focus on the Lupinrangers, the Patrangers will get theirs next week when they fight for the first time and merge in to Patren U. It's difficult to give equal focus to 2 teams of 3 simultaneously, that's why the focus will shift between them for the sake of better character development. On the Patranger side, I really like Sakuya's upbeat attitude in contrast to his comrades' no nonsense cop routine and maybe Keiichirou has a sad backstory that caused his hatred of all criminals. I hope we find out more about Tsukasa next week, since she's kind of overshadowed right now.
I think Touma is the least interesting of the Lupinrangers so far. Kairi and Umika are just more enthusiastic and quirky but that's okay, this show has only started and there's lots of time for character focus so who knows what the future will hold for them?! They definitely work as a team, even if their motivation is personal gain. They will learn to care about each other like the ones they lost. It's exciting to find out how this drama will unfold.
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Post by crossranger on Feb 16, 2018 9:55:51 GMT -5
Ok, incredible first episode. Both red Rangers seem more centered (in their own activities) and less Genki than the usual last Reds (I'm looking to you, Lucky). The Yellow Lupin is fun and some kind of dumb, so I like she's the cómic relief character (so far it's the impression). And it seems she's the opposite of her Patranger counterpart, Patren 3gou. The Blue Lupin is the serious one, and the Red is the cool, jerk, so I'm Fine with this Trinity. And their "work" in the french bistro seems like a good opportunity to tell stories.
I don't mind that Patrangers are not so prominent in the first episode, I imagined this. But that's ok. There is more episodes to flesh out the Patrangers.
The action and plot are Good. It has potential and wanting for more. I'm still not sold in the Giant Robo. But we'll see.
So far, so good.
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Feb 16, 2018 13:03:56 GMT -5
^^ Thank you. RWBY has an awesome soundtrack, by the way. Anyway, I'm actually both surprised and glad you like this episode as much as you did, because we tend to have the exact opposite taste in toku. I also appreciated that you read all of that post, because you had said my posts were too long and hard to read, and while this one was still long, I hope the way I sectioned it off helped.
As for the show, I agree with everything you said. I know people tend to not care for Touma's and Tsukasa's archetypes, but I actually like those archetypes. I like Hoji, Joe, Sakura, and Mako. Because of that and, like you said, we have plenty of time to flesh them out, they actually didn't bother me in this episode. Everyone, me included, is expecting the next episode to focus on the Patrangers, and if I had one fear about the show after seeing this episode, it's that I hope that since the show put Lupinrangers first in the title, and focused on them first, that it doesn't fall into the trap of focusing more on them and sidelining the Patrangers. There's every bit a chance the next episode could put the focus on the Lupinrangers again, and while it could still be another brilliant episode, speaking as someone who is definitely wholeheartedly Team Lupinranger, that would be a huge miscalculation, and a gigantic missed opportunity. I hope the show isn't stupid enough to do this. I'm the guy that says that Kyuranger could have balanced all 12 rangers if they tried hard enough, and we have half the number of rangers this season, so there's no excuse.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Feb 16, 2018 15:03:49 GMT -5
^ Yeah and it really compliments those fast paced Oum style action scenes.
I guess everybody has something in common, at least. Your posts have been a lot easier to read after you started using paragraphs.
What I really like about the new series is how fresh and unique it is, instead of just starting with a crazy amount of rangers in the core team like Kyuranger, many of whom were inevitably overshadowed by the plot heavy duo of "Talk about lucky!" Lucky and cliche loner Stinger. It doesn't help that most of the 11 (I haven't reached Soldier's debut yet since I'm reluctant to continue) out of 12 that I'm familiar with don't appeal to me at all. I love Spada, Shou and the BN thieves but the rest range from meh to virtually intolerable.
I actually like the serious cool guy archetype that Touma and Tsukasa have but it takes time and focus for me to warm up to them, compared to guys like Kairi and Umika who are instantly distinct and very likable characters. In Tsukasa's case, she probably got the least focus of the 6 so she hasn't had a chance yet. Like I said however, there's time and it should be a lot easier to handle with half the amount of characters that its predecessor had. And I'm also on Team Lupinranger FTW. I still like the Patrangers though, especially their colors with the car motif, reminds me of Drive's forms.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Feb 16, 2018 16:59:24 GMT -5
I hope to freaking god this is similar what they did with Ex-Aid where they are forgoing the ending theme in just this episode to make more time to flesh things out, and I hope this isn't a permanent thing. I There has been no ending theme announced, so, yeah, it's likely we're not getting one. And Ex-Aid got rid of the OP so it could fit in more advertising, not more plot - Emu's actor even said this on the cast blog |
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Feb 16, 2018 23:33:42 GMT -5
^Well, that sucks. Could the advertisement thing be the reason they got rid of the ending theme? Also, what are your thoughts on the first episode?
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Post by crossranger on Feb 18, 2018 0:31:09 GMT -5
^^
Well, for my part, I don't mind the no-ending part. Last year's sucks. It was like a drill piercing my ears. And the dancing was meh. So I'm glad it's gone. Better to not have an ending than having an awful one...
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Feb 18, 2018 2:31:34 GMT -5
^But it's not better to not have an ending theme than to not have a good one. Also, if I didn't like an ending theme, I always had the option to skip it, which I've done. I never would have thought in a million years that they would just stop doing them. LvP is not too old hat for ending themes. Even if they didn't want to do the dance ones, Boukenger and Timeranger are perfect examples of ending themes that were still great, even though they weren't made to be danced to.
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