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Post by Sh Ranger on Aug 14, 2019 9:24:17 GMT -5
My favorite arcs so far are Fourze/Faiz, OOO, Oma Zi-O, Another Zi-O, Blade (for the Day of Oma), Kiva and Den-O.
I'm confused about how Ora was able to create that lazer blade even though her powers were taken. It only makes sense if that was a unique power belonging just to her similar to Tsukasa's reality manipulation power.
Definitely excited to see Daido again, one of the most awesome and bad*ss villain/antihero riders.
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Post by xman on Aug 14, 2019 11:19:20 GMT -5
This is why I am glad that I never bothered to waste my time watching the Rider Time ryuki special when it first came out. I just finished watching the special and I feel insulted simply by sitting through all three episodes. I felt that this reunion special is even more mean-spirited than Kamen Rider Taisen, but what's worse is that this special was written by Toshiki Inoue of all people and he was at his worst when he actually agreed to write the story and script for this special. Like seriously, when I found out that Kamen Rider Femme was not gonna be in this reunion special because of the fact that her original actress was giving birth to her second child in real-life and that she was immediately replaced by Kamen Rider Abyss, a character that was exclusively made for Kamen Rider Decade, I just stopped the first episode halfway through because I had to clear my head for a few minutes. I understand that not all these actors were available to come back, and some of them are retired from acting and they all have lives outside of being actors and musicians, but they still should have at least hired a body-double and a voice actress for Miho Kirishima's character, but only shoot from the back of her head, or at least shoot the camera away so that we won't have to see her face up close and personal. It doesn't have to sound anything like Mio's character, but it would have been nice to acknowledge that Femne does exist and she's a part of the original roster of the Ryuki riders. But NOOOOOO!!! "Let's just replace her with a Ryuki-themed Rider character from Kamen Rider Decade instead and act like she never existed!! Because, we're Toei!! That's why!!" Then there's the scene in episode two where Gai and Raia are having sex. What in God's name was Toshiki Inoue thinking when he wrote that?! When was ever established that either Gai or Raia were gay in the original TV series of Kamen Rider Ryuki?! Because, I don't recall that ever happening in the show!!! This just feals like Inoue pulled this out of ass because he wants everything to be grounded in reality. And nl!! That's not how it works, Inoue!! TRY AGAIN!!!
See, this is what really worries me about today's media wanting more representation in movies and television because they don't know how to write LGBT characters properly, or if they think this is how members of the LGBT community should act because they are being written by straight people and they have never actually met gay people before. If you're gonna have LGBT representation in your shows or movies, you need to have someone who actually is part of that community and have him or her share their personal experiences in real-life so that way you might actually get the character right if you want them to be connected to who you're trying to attract. Or if you're trying to write a story exploring that character's sexual identity and how he or she is struggling with the same problems as any other straight person would go through.
So, the question is...was there anything that was remotely good about the Rider Time Ryuki special?! Actually, there were some good things about it like the fact that we got a really awesome kick-ass fight scene between Ryuga and Knight. Several unmorphed fight scenes in episode three, a new theme song by Rica Matsumoto, herself and she's still awesome. Some of the affects of the Advent monsters look pretty awesome and I do like the fact that Ren sacrificed himself to save Shinji which is drawing parallels to how Shinji sacrificed himself to save Ren in the final episodes. And that's all I have to say about that.
Other than that, this was a painful experience for me to sit through and I am sorry. But, I have no intention of ever revisiting or even thinking about this god-awful reunion special ever again. If you liked it, more power to you. I don't not and I never want to speak of its' very existence ever again. In fact, I want it to be fully erased from my memories, period!! Just like Dragonball Evolution, the Michael Bay Transformers movie sequels, the live-action Last Airbender movie and the live-action Jem and the Holograms movie from 2015.
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Post by aerojack2 on Aug 14, 2019 11:34:35 GMT -5
Alright, I know I'm not supposed to give out the question until next week buuut... at this point- since the show itself has clearly given up on it's continuity already- fuck it. According to next week's episode, the plot states that someone will betray the heroes and kill Sougo thus erasing this entire series (and if true, pretty much all others) out of existence... forever! So the question is: Who might be the traitor? Send out your best guess and I'll come back after next week's finale to give you the final answer... good luck to ya all!
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Post by Sh Ranger on Aug 14, 2019 14:37:47 GMT -5
This is why I am glad that I never bothered to waste my time watching the Rider Time ryuki special when it first came out. I just finished watching the special and I feel insulted simply by sitting through all three episodes. I felt that this reunion special is even more mean-spirited than Kamen Rider Taisen, but what's worse is that this special was written by Toshiki Inoue of all people and he was at his worst when he actually agreed to write the story and script for this special. Like seriously, when I found out that Kamen Riser Femme was not gonna be in this reunion special because of the fact that her original actress was giving birth to her second child in real-life and that she was immediately replaced by Kamen Rider Abyss, a character that was exclusively made for Kamen Rider Decade, I just stopped the first episode halfway through because I had to clear my head for a few minutes. I understand that not all these actors were available to come back, and some of them are retired from acting and they all have lives outside of being actors and musicians, but they still should have at least hired a body-double and a voice actress for Miho Kirishima's character, but only shoot from the back of her head, or at least shoot the camera away so that we won't have to see her face up close and personal. It doesn't have to sound anything like Mio's character, but it would have been nice to acknowledge that Femne does exist and she's a part of the original roster of the Ryuki riders. But NOOOOOO!!! "Let's just replace her with a Ryuki-themed Rider character from Kamen Rider Decade instead and act like she never existed!! Because, we're Toei!! That's why!!" Then there's the scene in episode two where Gai and Raia are having sex. What in God's name was Toshiki Inoue thinking when he wrote that?! When was ever established that either Gai or Raia were gay in the original TV series of Kamen Rider Ryuki?! Because, I don't recall that ever happening in the show!!! This just feals like Inoue pulled this out of ass because he wants everything to be grounded in reality. And nl!! That's not how it works, Inoue!! TRY AGAIN!!!See, this is what really worries me about today's media wanting more representation in movies and television because they don't know how to write LGBT characters properly, or if they think this is how members of the LGBT community should act because they are being written by straight people and they have never actually met gay people before. If you're gonna have LGBT representation in your shows or movies, you need to have someone who actually is part of that community and have him or her share their personal experiences in real-life so that way you might actually get the character right if you want them to be connected to who you're trying to attract. Or if you're trying to write a story exploring that character's sexual identity and how he or she is struggling with the same problems as any other straight person would go through. So, the question is...was there anything that was remotely good about the Rider Time Ryuki special?! Actually, there were some good things about it like the fact that we got a really awesome kick-ass fight scene between Ryuga and Knight. Several unmorphed fight scenes in episode three, a new theme song by Rica Matsumoto, herself and she's still awesome. Some of the affects of the Advent monsters look pretty awesome and I do like the fact that Ren sacrificed himself to save Shinji which is drawing parallels to how Shinji sacrificed himself to save Ren in the final episodes. And that's all I have to say about that. Other than that, this was a painful experience for me to sit through and I am sorry. But, I have no intention of ever revisiting or even thinking about this god-awful reunion special ever again. If you liked it, more power to you. I don't not and I never want to speak of its' very existence ever again. In fact, I want it to be fully erased from my memories, period!! Just like Dragonball Evolution, the Michael Bay Transformers movie sequels, the live-action Last Airbender movie and the live-action Jem and the Holograms movie from 2015. Tezuka is actually bi since he was in a love triangle with Ren and Eri. Nevertheless, you have a good point. That scene came out of nowhere and Inoue is yet another writer using bi and homosexual characters as tokens. Inoue and Kobayashi are always dropping surprise twists in a story without context or foreshadowing and it hardly ever works. I mean, they may succeed in surprising but who wouldn't be surprised by something so absurd and contrived? Other than that infamous Tezuka/Jun scene and Shirakura replacing Femme with Takaiwa Seiji for some reason, I appreciate Rider Time Ryuki for finally giving the show an ending since apparently the "ending" of the show was ruined by executives. If only they allowed Kobayashi to end the show her way since she was planning to have Ren win the Rider War or something like that. Basically what happened with Rider Time Ryuki except Ren would have survived and Shinji would have stayed dead. But we had to wait 17 years to actually see such a conclusion. Eri being alive may be a reference to Ren seeing his wish fulfilled in the original Rider War. I don't know why they couldn't just make Femme be some random girl like they did with new guys for Tiger, Imperer, Scissors and Verde. Abyss wasn't even alive for more than a few minutes, he was just filling a gap. There are movies I would like to purge from my memory as well, namely Gravity, Blade Runner 2049 and Assassin's Creed. They sucked.
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Post by purplecreator on Aug 14, 2019 17:41:51 GMT -5
I wish we could have seen the Hibiki, Kiva, Agito & Blade Armors in action.
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Post by xman on Aug 16, 2019 0:21:32 GMT -5
I wish we could have seen the Hibiki, Kiva, Agito & Blade Armors in action. Me too. Especially the Kiva Armor. I was screaming at the screen shouting, "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, SOUGO?! A GRAND INVITATION?! USE IT!!!! YOU HAVE THE RIDE WATCH, USE THE POWERS OF KAMEN RIDER KIVA, DAMMIT" That pissed me off after watching episodes 35 and 36. But yeah, I still wish the show had more time to actual show those armors in action.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Aug 16, 2019 3:53:38 GMT -5
On the whole, I liked Rider Time Ryuki. It gave us some powerful moments with Shinji and Ren, and I loved seeing Ouja back again. I think the core plot was a bit lacking, and it basically retconned the happy ending of the show but still, I found it enjoyable.
Ryuki didn't establish that Shibaura or Tezuka is straight, so there is no reason why they can't be gay. People are not "straight until proven otherwise." (The love triangle with Tezuka and Eri was in the "13 Riders" movie, which is AU - Eri isn't even the same character in both since she has a different family name.) Characters do not need to be like Pierre or Luna Dopant to be plausible as gay. and there's no reason why they can't just happen to be that way. It's not "tokenism" or "not writing LGBT characters properly" - it's no different from the same scene with straight people. Inoue himself may be LGBT since he reportedly said at a fan event earlier this year that he paired up Shibaura and Tezuka because he finds Tezuka's actor attractive
I don't like Femme so I personally don't care that she's not there. At the time of filming, her actress had just had a baby so it's understandable she's not back but I don't see why they couldn't just have a random woman as Femme. But then, Femme does not necessarily exist in the TV continuity - she appears only in the novel and Final Vent movie, which are both AU. Abyss fits since Tsukasa is an important character in Zi-O.
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Post by purplecreator on Aug 16, 2019 9:32:07 GMT -5
I wish we could have seen the Hibiki, Kiva, Agito & Blade Armors in action. Me too. Especially the Kiva Armor. I was screaming at the screen shouting, "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, SOUGO?! A GRAND INVITATION?! USE IT!!!! YOU HAVE THE RIDE WATCH, USE THE POWERS OF KAMEN RIDER KIVA, DAMMIT" That pissed me off after watching episodes 35 and 36. But yeah, I still wish the show had more time to actual show those armors in action. Yeah! It's like how Decade never used Hibiki when he got it during his season! Or the Gaim Jimber Melon Arms!
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Post by Sh Ranger on Aug 16, 2019 10:05:34 GMT -5
^ At least Decade used Hibiki in the movie. There are also the many Tire Koukans and Kakimazerus that never happened. On the whole, I liked Rider Time Ryuki. It gave us some powerful moments with Shinji and Ren, and I loved seeing Ouja back again. I think the core plot was a bit lacking, and it basically retconned the happy ending of the show but still, I found it enjoyable. Ryuki didn't establish that Shibaura or Tezuka is straight, so there is no reason why they can't be gay. People are not "straight until proven otherwise." (The love triangle with Tezuka and Eri was in the "13 Riders" movie, which is AU - Eri isn't even the same character in both since she has a different family name.) Characters do not need to be like Pierre or Luna Dopant to be plausible as gay. and there's no reason why they can't just happen to be that way. It's not "tokenism" or "not writing LGBT characters properly" - it's no different from the same scene with straight people. Inoue himself may be LGBT since he reportedly said at a fan event earlier this year that he paired up Shibaura and Tezuka because he finds Tezuka's actor attractive I don't like Femme so I personally don't care that she's not there. At the time of filming, her actress had just had a baby so it's understandable she's not back but I don't see why they couldn't just have a random woman as Femme. But then, Femme does not necessarily exist in the TV continuity - she appears only in the novel and Final Vent movie, which are both AU. Abyss fits since Tsukasa is an important character in Zi-O. I don't understand how a different continuity would affect Tezuka's sexuality. He should still be the same person just with different experiences, unlike Eri. Doesn't it make more sense to deem him bi like Garu from Kyuranger? You have a good point about the tokenism. I would have hated the scene regardless of sexuality since it's a sexual scene in a movie that really didn't need it. The lack of foreshadowing is another factor. Tezuka/Jun has never been implied in the show or anything else preceding episode 2 of Rider Time Ryuki. Episode Final The Movie was referenced in the Ryuga arc so I think Femme exists in some capacity since there were supposed to be 13 participants in the Rider War. Same goes for Verde, who was present in Rider Time Ryuki. Maybe they were just killed offscreen in the show, probably by Asakura. Oh and welcome back I guess, you haven't been active for a while.
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Post by xman on Aug 16, 2019 10:17:05 GMT -5
Me too. Especially the Kiva Armor. I was screaming at the screen shouting, "WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, SOUGO?! A GRAND INVITATION?! USE IT!!!! YOU HAVE THE RIDE WATCH, USE THE POWERS OF KAMEN RIDER KIVA, DAMMIT" That pissed me off after watching episodes 35 and 36. But yeah, I still wish the show had more time to actual show those armors in action. Yeah! It's like how Decade never used Hibiki when he got it during his season! Or the Gaim Jimber Melon Arms! Wait, didn't Kouta actually used the Jimber Melon Arms at one point in the show?! Because, I am pretty sure that actually happened in Gaim.
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Post by purplecreator on Aug 16, 2019 10:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by xman on Aug 16, 2019 11:43:29 GMT -5
Okay. Oh and by the way, I do seem to recall that Tsukasa actually did used the Kamen Ride Hibiki card only once in the first episode of Decade and again in the movie, "All-Riders VS. Dai-Shocker" during the opening fight scene between him and Kamen Rider Amazon. Not Amazons since none of those assholes existed back in 2009, but the original, "the O.G." Kamen Rider Amazon. So, yeah.You might wanba say that Tsukasa barely even used the Kamen Ride Hibiki card in his own show because of limited fight scenes, or budget cuts, or because the show was only 31 episodes at the time.
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Post by purplecreator on Aug 16, 2019 11:52:19 GMT -5
He lost the Hibiki power after he used it that one time. And I mean IN SERIES. As soon as he regained the Hibiki Cards, he got his Complete Form and used that more. And the Final Attack Ride - Hibiki scene was the best of the nine worlds!
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Post by xman on Aug 16, 2019 12:01:47 GMT -5
Well, this is the price that Toei gets for letting the 10th Heisei-era Kamen Rider TV series be only 31 episodes since it was Toshiki Inoue's idea to make the show that short. But then again, he was probably going bat-shit insane in his writing right after doing Faiz and had to let his apprentice/secondary show-writer, Souji Younemra finish the rest of the show at the time while he tries to recover. But hey, it could be worse. I mean, at least Inoue wasn't literally burning himself out from working multiple projects all at once in 2009, like what Yasuko Kobayashi did when she actually agreed to work on multiple projects back-to-back in 2014. Including Toqger and Garo: Zero Blood.
And Remember!!! Toei actually said, "Yes!" And basically assigned these ideas to the wrong people. And did nothing about it to prevent it from happening.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Aug 16, 2019 15:56:38 GMT -5
^ Inoue was only a secondary writer for Decade. The head writer for the first 13 episodes was Aikawa.
Anyway, I just watched episode 46 and 47. Looks like Ora's power was given to her by Swartz in exchange for Uhr's life. Man, it sucks that Uhr might really be dead unless time distortion brings him back to life which wouldn't be surprising. His death by Ora was a surprise and Sougo becoming enraged by Another Drive's laughter reminds me of Sento losing his cool with Evolt after Kazumin's death. Neither villain directly caused the death but their reaction to it was what made them snap.
Ora is apparently not as smart as Uhr since she trusted Swartz twice and got betrayed whereas Uhr was always suspicious of him ever since he turned him in to Another Kikai. I didn't expect Ora to reform like Uhr did since she murdered Yuko in revenge for cutting her face. I should've seen it coming but I was convinced that the show was trying to reform her so kudos for not doing that, even though my favorite Time Jacker, Uhr, is now dead, for now.
I'll say it once more, it was great to see Daido return and him being cool with losing to Zi-O Trinity was just like his defeat in Gaia Memories of Fate. He wanted to die since he saw his existence as a NEVER as a curse. Eternal is a very memorable rider for his character, catchphrase and backstory and Argos is nothing more than a lame rip-off of him in a mediocre movie.
Why did Sougo need to wait for Kaito to rewind time to revive Tsukasa? Zi-O II has the same power. This has been a recurring problem, he didn't use it to save Yuko either. Oh well, whatever. Next question. Why did Tsukasa have the Zi-O Kamen Ride Card? Doesn't he need to solve Sougo's problem before he can use his power, like all the other AR Riders he met? Whatever. At least it explained why he didn't lose his power after giving his Ride Watch to him, it served as a repository for half of his power which means Another Decade is incomplete. Imagine if he had the whole power!
Now that Tsukasa has Zi-O's power, I'm interested to see how the Final Form Ride will tickle (mutilate) poor Sougo's body. I can't decide whether I want to see that or not. Final Form Rides are simultaneously cool and mildly macabre.
There has yet to be an explanation for why Swartz's and Tsukuyomi's timeline is on the verge of destruction but I guess Swartz's actions will result in a causal loop destabilizing his timeline. Now about the options he suggested to Sougo: 1) Save the worlds and let Swartz and Tsukuyomi be erased with their timeline. 2) "Path of Tsukuyomi". 3) Become Oma Zi-O, activate the Dai Mazines and save what he can at the expense of half the world. Option 1 sucks. Option 2 is vague. Option 3 seems like the worst option as the events of the show would just repeat. Maybe Option 2 is the best case scenario, whatever it means.
Miharu's death was sad but if Sougo can change the future, he can prevent it.
I'm excited to see how the last 2 episodes of the final arc will resolve the problem.
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