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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 23, 2019 23:32:49 GMT -5
They failed with their civilian powers, but that's because half of them used their powers in the worst possible ways.
Mack has super strength. And instead of running up and punching one of them? He decides to throw their car at them, and he gets shot while he's got the car in his hands. He could've used his strength in several other ways. Rose can turn invisible. But that doesn't really help when you scream when you're trying to sneak up on the enemy. Ronny didn't even use her speed to attack. The one thing she used it for is to dodge, which actually worked and would be useful. I'll give you the rest, though. Will's power is useless in any battle, while Dax and Tyzonn actually used their powers the best they could. But still, half the team has useful powers, they just didn't use them to their advantage. It was their own fault.
They way it came off wasn't that they were quitting because they thought everything was under control, it came off like they were quitting just because they couldn't morph anymore. Hartford asked them to stay an help him with the mission. And they still did have a mission. They could use their powers to help hunt for the jewels. Almost all of their powers would be very useful for that. Hartford even said he needed them. They had the equipment needed to continue, the way the show did it felt like they left just because they couldn't morph.
That may not been what they were trying to do with the episode, but that's sure what it seems like when watching.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Sept 24, 2019 0:55:35 GMT -5
I feel like that all just supports why they should leave. They either a) had useless powers or b) the people in control of said powers sucked at using them properly.
Between Xander and Tori the Retro Rangers had control of two of the elements, Bridge is a living evil detector, Kira’s sonic scream is a great brute force move and she can fly. And they had each proven multiple times that they were actually adept at using said powers. They just simply didn’t need a B-Team of second string amateurs.
This is the same as Tommy leaving after the Green Candle debacle. Sure he could have stuck around and karate chopped the occasional putty, but in the grand scheme of things would that have helped much? No. And he never gets accused of being some poor sport quitter like the OO team does.
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Post by digificwriter on Sept 24, 2019 10:46:26 GMT -5
"The Overdrive Rangers were terrible because they decided to go back to their civilian lives after they lost their powers and the Retro Rangers showed up" is one of many hollow arguments trotted out to explain why Overdrive supposedly deserves to be labeled "the worst" over series that have far more significant issues (all of the series I previously mentioned, for example), and it's forever frustrating.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 24, 2019 15:10:38 GMT -5
I feel like that all just supports why they should leave. They either a) had useless powers or b) the people in control of said powers sucked at using them properly. Between Xander and Tori the Retro Rangers had control of two of the elements, Bridge is a living evil detector, Kira’s sonic scream is a great brute force move and she can fly. And they had each proven multiple times that they were actually adept at using said powers. They just simply didn’t need a B-Team of second string amateurs. This is the same as Tommy leaving after the Green Candle debacle. Sure he could have stuck around and karate chopped the occasional putty, but in the grand scheme of things would that have helped much? No. And he never gets accused of being some poor sport quitter like the OO team does. By that logic, they shouldn't have even been rangers in the first place if they weren't smart enough to use their powers in the right way. And again, even if their powers weren't useful in battle, their powers would be useful in hunting for the jewels, which they could've stayed and helped it. That's why it feels like they quit just because they were sad they weren't Power Rangers anymore. The difference is that Tommy wasn't asked to stay. Tommy didn't have a mission to continue with. He had no reason to stay. The Overdrive Rangers had a reason to stay. Zordon didn't ask Tommy to stay. Hartford asked the Overdrive Rangers to stay. Tommy didn't have civilian powers that would be helpful with the mission the rangers were recruited for. The Overdrive Rangers did. It's not just the fact that they left, it's how they left.
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Post by xman on Sept 24, 2019 21:33:24 GMT -5
Uhm, isn't Xander supposed to have seen as a full-grown character, ever since his season ended?! Why was he suddenly reverting back to his original character when he approached the Chillers with his "Plan Xander" shtick?! The whole point of seeing older ranger characters returning for later crossovers is to see our favorite characters from the past seasons fully-matured, acting like real adults, and somewhat wise mentor-ish characters to the new team while treating them as equals. But seeing Xander revert back to his pre-developed character in this scene during part two of "Once A Ranger" and getting his ass kicked, that's called character-assaination, in my opinion. It's like Xander hasn't really learned anything right after Mystic Force ended its' run. I would argue just because one grows doesn't mean they still don't retain their character quirk. Look at Bulk, just because he stood up to Astronema in CTD doesn't mean he is a full blown mature hero. He is still goofy afterwards. So Xander while has matured, will still be quirky here and there. But, what about Dax, or Will, or Ronny or Rose or Tyzonn? Are they still gonna act like the same people they once were even after their season ended? Or will they at least act like they have matured over a few years depending on whether or not their actors would be available to come back for an anniversary team-up episode in the near-future? I mean it's okay for past characters to provide some fan-service for long time fans once in a while, if it's well-executed, but at the same time, I just want to see these past characters come out and say to the newer heroes that in their personal experiences, they were once these type of people, but now them being heroes have changed their lifestyles and made them into better people that they are today. I mean, look at Kimberly and Billy, you have seen how much they have grown put of their own personal stereotypes, both mentally and physically in seasons two and three of the MMPR. Sure they may still have some of their personal character traits, but we don't see them use them a lot over the years. Kimberly would still act like a vapid valley girl once in a while, but in her current age, if we actual did get to see Amy Jo Johnson returning to the show, she would not go back to that trait anymore. She would be much more mature than that. Billy could still do his techno-babble, but it has to relate to with something that has to do with science and technology. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing him interact with Nate and Steel from Beast Morphers in the comics, but that is another day since both Billy and Nate are considered to be nerds. Anyways, I'm probably all over the place with my argument here, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't mind that Xander just suddenly went back to his "Plan Xander" shtick in the episode. It just that I hated the way that the fan-service was just horribly-utilized and executed in this season. I am sorry, but I hate the execution of Operation Overdrive. It's what really killed all these good ideas that the writers wanted to show the audience because they actually cared about the material. And part of this is in fact, Disney's fault for giving the production of the season a miniscule budget and for being so god-damn cheap. I mean, Saban Brands has its' reasons for producing a cheap-looking TV show, but Disney should be the exact opposite because they have plenty of money and they could have fixed the quality of the show if they had just given the production crew more money and quit being so god-damn cheap back in the late 2000's. That's what also worries me about the cast of Operation Overdrive appearing in potential future anniversary team-up episodes. Is there any hope for their characters to have matured over the years, or is someone like Dax still gonna keep acting like the same annoying pest that he once was 12 years ago despite him being past his late 20's in the show? I could see Rose coming back and acting a bit more mature, same for Ronny since she barely had any real development in her own show. Mack could've easily grown and is probably much more wiser now, and Tyzonn is still gonna have to convey some real emotions aside from looking like a robot. Will is just have to tone down his smuggish asshole persona in a few years, but given the fact that his actor is being given a bad reputation from the fans and Power Morphicon since 2007 and on social media, I doubt he'll ever come back. But Dax?! I hope that he has matured over the years and is probably gonna have to do less mugging to the camera and giving less awkward stares and pauses, but just act like a normal person but with better humor and jokes that are actually funny. Like "Men in Black (I)"-level of funny. Or like "Blues Brothers (I)"-level of funny.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Sept 24, 2019 23:22:37 GMT -5
By that logic, they shouldn't have even been rangers in the first place if they weren't smart enough to use their powers in the right way. ...I mean... Yes he did. He gave them the choice to: a) Stay in a sh*tty, humiliating, undignified job where they’re unneeded and they knew they were bad at it anyway vs b) The careers that they specialized in, trained hard for, and where they all thrived. That’s an easy choice for any self-respecting person.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 24, 2019 23:44:24 GMT -5
What's humiliating about hunting for treasure so that evil villains don't get it and take over the world? Yes. They wouldn't be rangers anymore, other people would be fighting the bad guys. But they would still be doing their part to help the cause and doing something good. It's not like they'd be sweeping the floor in the lab and shining the Retro Ranger's boots. (Even though Mack literally was sweeping the floor after he quit)
Nobody is saying they had to go out and get their asses handed to them by the villains, but they still could've stuck around to help find the jewels like Hartford needed them to. That doesn't require morphing. The Retro Rangers were there to help, not take over the entire jewel hunting operation. They still had their civilian powers, they still had their vehicles and equipment to hunt with, they just didn't want to if they didn't get to be rangers while doing it.
Again, it may not have been the show's intention, but it sure looks like they just quit because they couldn't morph, not because they couldn't help.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Sept 25, 2019 1:32:24 GMT -5
But the “searching for the treasure” part *always* led to the “getting attacked by monsters” part. Especially with 4 different villain factions that were all active at once.
So like, when the villains attacked the Retros would have to protect them like they were their annoying younger siblings. That’d be distracting for the Rangers and would make the ex-Overdrive team feel lame. Like, there just was no appeal to sticking around.
Not being able to morph is a big deal. It’s like in SPD when the A-Squad came back and B-Squad felt shafted. But at least they were still Power Rangers so they had *something.* Here, not so much.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 25, 2019 2:55:23 GMT -5
The problem is they didn't even try after the Retro Rangers showed up. They didn't even wait 24 hours before throwing in the towel. They quit the same day the Retro Rangers showed up. The Sentinel Knight might have replaced them as rangers, but he didn't say they were taking over the mission. They heard the word "replaced" and decided to quit, even when their mentor asked them to stay and told them he still needed their help.
The Overdrive Rangers shouldn't have felt shafted. They still had a mission to do. The Retro Rangers weren't there to replace them in hunting for the jewels, they were there to fight off the bad guys until they got their powers back. (Which, again, they didn't even wait a single after Adam showed up to help fix the morphers before they quit) Yes, the bad guys could attack them. (Which is where those civilian powers would come in handy if they decided to use them in ways that aren't dumb) But they didn't even give it a shot. They quit right away. It just didn't make them look good at all when they give up because of one setback and didn't even attempt to wait to see if it could be fixed.
You're completely free to disagree, but I think they handled this quitting plot really poorly.
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Post by xman on Sept 25, 2019 8:51:27 GMT -5
The problem is they didn't even try after the Retro Rangers showed up. They didn't even wait 24 hours before throwing in the towel. They quit the same day the Retro Rangers showed up. The Sentinel Knight might have replaced them as rangers, but he didn't say they were taking over the mission. They heard the word "replaced" and decided to quit, even when their mentor asked them to stay and told them he still needed their help. The Overdrive Rangers shouldn't have felt shafted. They still had a mission to do. The Retro Rangers weren't there to replace them in hunting for the jewels, they were there to fight off the bad guys until they got their powers back. (Which, again, they didn't even wait a single after Adam showed up to help fix the morphers before they quit) Yes, the bad guys could attack them. (Which is where those civilian powers would come in handy if they decided to use them in ways that aren't dumb) But they didn't even give it a shot. They quit right away. It just didn't make them look good at all when they give up because of one setback and didn't even attempt to wait to see if it could be fixed. You're completely free to disagree, but I think they handled this quitting plot really poorly. That's sad. And this is probably gonna bite the Overdrive Rangers in the ass or haunt them in their sleep if any of them are gonna come back for a future anniversary team-up episode. *shivers!* I wouldn't want to be in any of the Overdrive Rangers' shoes right now.
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