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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Aug 30, 2018 17:58:16 GMT -5
This is really going no where fast. Might as well agree to disagree. To we have more facts that clear things up.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Aug 30, 2018 18:04:22 GMT -5
But the facts are on my side tho, the rest is just speculation. Probably correct speculation, speculation with some support, but still speculation. Look at it this way: Say someone proposed this theory: "Tommy married a woman and had a son, then his wife died. Then in recent years he began dating Kat." Using only the contents of Dimensions in Danger, disprove this theory. I'll wait. You could do that with pretty much everything in Power Rangers. Coming up with random theories is easy. But my question is... why? Why should we assume that Tommy and Kat aren't married and JJ isn't Kat's son too? Why would we think that Tommy got married to someone else and she died? What's the point of ignoring what we see and coming up with something completely different? Tommy and Kat are together. Tommy has a son. There's a flash forward in Zeo that shows Tommy and Kat married with grandchildren. Is it really that hard to believe that JJ is their kid? Do we really have to come up with a random theory that is overall pointless? It just seems like being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Aug 30, 2018 18:13:55 GMT -5
But that's all I've been trying to say this whole time. This thread is literally about "Are Kat and Tommy married?" and the episode did not conclusively prove their marriage, since it doesn't exclude all other possiblities. Which is one of the many instances of this episodes shoddy writing, or perhaps just bad editing. Give Kat one iota of character focus (or a friggin' wedding ring) and this all goes away.
But instead of anyone saying "Yeah you're right it wasn't proven," I was blasted with "You're wrong, difficult and obtuse." For stating facts.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Aug 30, 2018 18:26:33 GMT -5
If you felt I jumped at you originally, I apologize. I wasn't trying to offend with the way this started.
But just because it was handled poorly, and I do agree that something more obvious would've been good, doesn't mean we didn't get something confirming they're together. Coming up with these theories about how they're not married and how JJ isn't their son is pretty much being difficult about it.
There are facts that you're ignoring. The upcoming novel, the fact that an actor confirmed it. Those things don't need to just be brushed off. Those are evidence that they are married and JJ is their kid. Sure, the episode alone wasn't perfect evidence. But it was evidence. I don't see the point of trying to come up with crazy theories when it's obvious what they were going for.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Aug 30, 2018 18:33:51 GMT -5
Yes but looking solely IN THIS EPISODE there was not PROOF. There was just anectodal evidence. That's ALL I've been trying to say. I don't see why people are trying to argue this basic fact.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Aug 30, 2018 18:38:02 GMT -5
Ignoring everything else outside of this episode, yes, there wasn't a lot of stuff to confirm it. But we did get something. It's not a lot, but we did get subtle confirmation.
My point is, coming up with random theories instead of just accepting what they're obviously trying to say just because it wasn't spelled out is pretty much being difficult.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Aug 30, 2018 18:44:57 GMT -5
But what's being difficult about simply restating what happened on screen? As I said I don't actually believe that theory I posted, I was just demonstrating how the episode didn't confirm anything. All I'm saying is if they did something crazy like reveal Divatox is JJ's mother next episode, it wouldn't clash with any of the canon last episode established.
"They didn't confirm Kat was JJ's mother." This is a very basic, true statement. How is that being difficult? All I was trying to do is say these basic things.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Aug 30, 2018 18:52:35 GMT -5
Divatox being JJ's real mother would be hilarious and I actually wouldn't be completely against that twist, but that's not the point here.
I guess my point boils down to, did they need to look at the screen and have Kat say "JJ's my son", or can we look at the simple fact that Tommy and Kat are married and put 2 and 2 together and figure JJ is her son? Does it really need to be pointed out that they didn't say anything in the episode that reveals that Kat is JJ's mother? It just feels like thinking of other ways is people being difficult about it and it feels really nitpicky. And I'm not singling you out when I say this.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Aug 30, 2018 19:11:48 GMT -5
See and my point boils down to they wanted to portray "Tommy and Kat are married and have a son," but they simply just didn't show Tommy and Kat beind married or Kat having a son. "Honey, are you okay?" "I'm fine Tommy, is JJ safe?" I feel like this kind of thing is absolutely *essential* in portraying familial relationships properly instead of providing bare bones and literally wanting the fans to assume the rest. This is why I said they didn't show, they just told. They didn't show any of that and instead Catherine *literally* had to tell us. That's why I feel it was so weak, because it's so easy to discredit.
That's not being "difficult," it's just calling it what it is.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Aug 30, 2018 19:20:43 GMT -5
"Honey, are you okay?" "I'm fine Tommy, is JJ safe?" But see, with this logic, even that wouldn't technically confirm that they're married or she's JJ's mother. She could just be Tommy's girlfriend concerned for his son. See, people can nitpick anything. It just doesn't mean you have to. Not everything has to be explicitly stated to be confirmed. Some things will be confirmed in a subtle way. Yes, it could've been given more, and it should've been. I agree with that. But "Kat isn't technically confirmed as JJ's mom!" is just nitpicking when we all know that's what they were going for. That's why it feels like people are being difficult.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Aug 30, 2018 19:31:10 GMT -5
Okay fine Tommy: *takes Kat's hand with the large diamond ring on it* Honey are you okay? Kat: I'm fine Tommy, is our boy safe?
That would have deleted this whole debate before it started.
Stating facts is just stating facts, not being difficult. If they didn't want it to be open to interpretation they could have made it that way, but they didn't, plain and simple. Where is the harm in stating that? It just is what it is.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Aug 30, 2018 19:41:30 GMT -5
"Where's the harm in stating that?"
But what's the point of stating that, other than to nitpick? That's my problem with this. It's just nitpicking and that's the part that feels like people are being difficult.
This whole discussion of wedding rings made me wanna go back and look to see if Tommy was even wearing a ring. I just looked at two scenes. At the beginning, we was wearing one. But right before they're about to morph, you can see he isn't. So, if he lost his ring somewhere during all of this, Kat could've too.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Aug 30, 2018 19:48:17 GMT -5
That...isn't an answer at all.
It's not nitpicking to say "this didn't happen."
Like if I liked Legendary Battle and you said "It was lame how Damon didn't get any lines tho," and I shot back "But he got a legend shift and if you squint during the legendary battle you can see him for half a second. You're just nitpicking!" "I'm just saying he didn't get a line..." "But they clearly *intended* for his presence to be worthwhile. Nitpicking!"
This is what's happening here. I wouldn't actually begrudge you pointing out that basic fact.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Aug 30, 2018 19:56:40 GMT -5
Just... what? That's completely different.
Damon didn't get any lines. It wasn't implied he got any lines. There's no reason to assume he had lines. There's reason to assume Kat is JJ's mother. It was implied that Kat is JJ's mother by the fact that Tommy and Kat were together. They're different situations that don't match up enough. If I was comparing the fact that it wasn't outright said with Kat getting to do some cool flips with Sarah, you'd have a good comparison. But that's not what I'm saying.
At this point, I don't see this going anywhere. The only way I see this ending is if we agree to disagree so this doesn't go in circles forever, because clearly neither of us are gonna have our minds changed.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Aug 30, 2018 20:08:36 GMT -5
This is going no where so fast.
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