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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 19, 2018 16:15:50 GMT -5
^ When Patren 1 lectured Lupin Red about how the end doesn't justify stealing as means, I actually started to root for him to take the Biker and Cyclone pieces. Even if his view is black and white, his dedication to justice is something I respect. He has a point that true heroes don't steal and while the Lupinrangers are definitely not as evil as he thinks they are, they're still antiheroes at least, taking the Lupin Collection to revive their loved ones. With them it's personal but the Patrangers are more conventional heroes who fight for justice for everybody.
A prominent theme of this show is the question of who's right and this episode made my alignment shift a little towards the Patrangers after hearing Keiichirou's strong principles. I think this episode was deliberately designed to make people doubt, starting with the scene where Kairi suddenly became more violent, like this is the guy we're seeing from Keiichirou's perspective, a dangerous criminal. Not so different from the Gangler. I'm expecting more shifts to happen later as we see the story from different angles. I remember in Kamen Rider Ghost where Robin Hood acknowledged that both he and his enemies were good guys even though they were polar opposites, claiming that there was no correct opinion of morality, just what each person believes is the right thing to do. Maybe this is applicable here.
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Mar 19, 2018 16:34:54 GMT -5
^All that was well said. (By the way, as of this typing, I still haven't seen episode 6 yet) I do understand where Keiichiro is coming from, but I still side with the Lupinrangers. I'm rooting for them to save their loved ones. I still appreciate how this show is showing both sides of the argument, though. I always compared Kyuranger to CA:CW in how that movie is proof that 12 characters can be balanced, but this show is reminding me of it in how it's taking 2 opposing ideals and putting them against each other. It makes it that much more funny that Kyuranger really is doing its own more stupid version of Civil War with that Vs Gavan movie.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 19, 2018 16:52:14 GMT -5
^ I'm kind of still on Team Lupinranger but it's getting pretty conflicted, there's a lot of good points for each side. Even in the music, I prefer Patranger's soundtrack. Lupinranger has cooler aesthetics and a cool name and their motivation to save their loved ones isn't wrong, but yeah, Keiichirou has a point.
I saw the trailer for Kyuranger vs Space Squad and I thought it looked interesting, probably due to Uchuu Keiji involvement since I've enjoyed all of those movies so far. I'll probably resume Kyuranger soon before the August release date so I'm not out of the loop.
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Mar 21, 2018 18:00:30 GMT -5
LvP episode 6: Just another damn good episode. I do have some flaws with it. It's not as great as 1,2,3, and 5, but not as "just okay" as episode 4. It's just really good. The Good: Sh Ranger, if last episode made you appreciate Keiichiro more, this episode did the same for me. Last episode did a great job of showing what the ideological conflict is between Keiichiro in Kairi, and this episode did a great job of showing how that affects Keiichiro's character. I love how personally he takes the loss against Kairi, and I love how he has to put aside his pride, and relearn his resolve to protect people, especially with the way he saved those people. As much as I love the rogue-ish nature of the Lupinrangers, I do also appreciate characters that are also just purely good, which is why I like characters like Captain America and Superman (and why it annoys me when people just say they're boring boy scouts). It's why Alata is one of my favorite reds. It's funny how just a few episodes ago, I was complaining that the Patrangers aren't being developed, then we get the episode with Sakuya, and this. (As much as I think the "Heal me" thing is funny, I still don't think that episode did much for Tsukasa's character). While the Patrangers' stories aren't as dark as the Lupinrangers', I appreciate what they're doing with them. I think this episode does a great job of showing how this show justifies its premise. I love the rivalry between the 2 reds (and that fight), and I love how the show not only shows us the depth of the characters (well, most of them), we also see how each team views each other. I actually kinda feel bad for Keiichiro when Kairi keeps calling him "that hotheaded policeman", because we know it's not that simple. I feel the same way when Keiichiro sees the Lupinrangers as just "those damn thieves". That's why I love the ending scene where we see Keiichiro look at the cartoon picture of the Lupinrangers, thinking about what Kairi said. There's a chance he might be starting to see that the Lupinrangers might not be as bad as he thinks they are. Each teams' lack of knowledge and understanding of each other helps to get us invested in the characters, and it's something we've never seen before, because it can only be done with a Vs premise like this. I love the comedy in this show. Sakuya is slowly becoming one of my favorite green sentai rangers. I love the scene where he's telling them what's happening between Keiichiro and Tsukasa, and he's like, "I'm saying too much." It's obvious they're taking inspiration from Doc and Hanto, and while I can't say this for Doc, and while I do like Hanto, so far, I think I might like him more than Hanto. I'm still loving the action in the show. That's something I forgot to mention for last episode. There's so much to say about these episodes that it just slipped through. All 3 toku shows sometimes run into the problem of when something works, they just reuse it over and over, and that can be annoying sometimes, like in Ninja Steel with the way Mick teaches his lessons, which was funny at first, but it's starting to annoy me, so I feel guilty for saying I never get sick of the camera movement thing during the fight scenes. I also love the fact that we hear the individual theme songs for each team in the show. Even in the music, I prefer Patranger's soundtrack. I can kinda agree with that. As much as I do love Lupinranger's henshin theme, I think I might prefer Patranger's, and after listening to the full versions of the 3 themes, Patrangers' theme is starting to creep up there as my favorite, on top of the fact that from the snippet of the mecha themes we heard, I prefer Patranger's. The Bad: My main gripe with the episode is that I don't understand why Bundolt is only after the Lupinrangers. I get that he wants the Lupin Collection pieces that were taken, but the Patrangers also have Lupin Collection pieces. There's no good reason he should only want the ones that were stolen. The reason this bothers me is because it feels like it's only done so that we can stall the Lupinrangers coming into the battle, so that we can stall the 2 reds' duel. I also don't care for the fact that Good Striker gave the Patrangers the bike. Since this was Keiichiro's focus episode, I think he should have gotten it back himself. It feels cheap to have Good Striker to that. I don't really like the idea in general of Good Striker taking the Vs vehicles like that since the conflict is between the rangers. The rangers should be the ones to take the Vs vehicles from each other. I also want to reiterate how generic I think the villains are. It's definitely not a dealbreaker; Gokaiger and Shinkenger are my 2 highest ranked sentais, and I think their main villains are generic. It's just disappointing because with how different this show is trying to be, I wish we could get a great main villains again like Rio and Mele, Enter, and Zett. Final thoughts: With shows like Ninninger and Kyuranger, each week it felt like I was running out of ways to say, "This show sucks.", but with LvP, I'm starting to run out of ways to say this show is fantastic. At this point, this show will have to screw up royally to not make my top 5. Next episode: It looks like Umika and Sakuya are going on a date. I'm assuming that Umika is doing this as part of some kind of mission to save Kairi and Touma, and I'm so intrigued to find out how. This situation could also be mined for some good comedy, which is an aspect that this show hasn't let me down with a single time. It also looks like Umika does the "Black Widow Takedown", which I think is awesome. The episode is called "Always Saved", so I think it might be dealing with Umika coming into her own, picking herself up, and coming through when her friends need her the most. I do hope we eventually get an episode similar to Touma's episode, dealing with her backstory with her friend, but this episode still looks great.
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Post by Rheannan on Mar 22, 2018 6:54:58 GMT -5
I like that we keep bringing up the fact that the police keeps showing up with these Lupin Collection. I also like that the Lupinrangers bring up the fact that Kogure might be hiding things from them. Kogure probably is keeping things from them, and it's still a possibility that he's helping both sides, though he'd probably deny that. I actually kinda feel bad for Keiichiro when Kairi keeps calling him "that hotheaded policeman", because we know it's not that simple. I feel the same way when Keiichiro sees the Lupinrangers as just "those damn thieves". That's why I love the ending scene where we see Keiichiro look at the cartoon picture of the Lupinrangers, thinking about what Kairi said. There's a chance he might be starting to see that the Lupinrangers might not be as bad as he thinks they are. Each teams' lack of knowledge and understanding of each other helps to get us invested in the characters, and it's something we've never seen before, because it can only be done with a Vs premise like this. And since Keiichirou is starting to wonder who the Lupinrangers really are, maybe they'll find out soon. |
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Post by crossranger on Mar 22, 2018 14:42:53 GMT -5
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Hilltop said in the last episode they have an informant. That's why they could get the Vs Changers and Trigger machines. The most obvious suspect is Kogure. Misterious, knows about the Lupin collection, and he choosed the LupinRangers to retrieve the stolen object.
Kogure could be the informant/guy playing both sides. Or could be the "Sixth" Ranger Patren x/Lupin X. Or it could both.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 24, 2018 13:36:41 GMT -5
^ I agree that Kogure is probably the benefactor for both teams like his ancestor, Arsene Lupin, helping the enemy to solve his crimes. His true purpose is still unknown. I doubt he's Lupin/Patren X though, that's more likely to be someone new and younger. It would be interesting if his identity is not only a mystery to the rangers but also to us. Unless it's an unexpected guy like Hilltop who may be in cahoots with Kogure. I think X means "unknown" and it resembles a rail junction as well. Compliments the train motif.
P.S. 300th post, yay!
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Post by crossranger on Mar 24, 2018 22:36:17 GMT -5
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I didn't think that Kogure is gonna be Pat X or Lupin X. Yes, I also believe like you it's gonna be Somebody new and young. I also don't believe Hilltop could be the new Ranger. He is too much in the background for that. Besides in the tokusatsu logic, bosses, or chiefs only could be Extra Rangers.
I didn't relate the X thing with the railroad motif. Good one.
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Post by cd on Mar 26, 2018 16:56:51 GMT -5
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Post by Orion on Mar 26, 2018 17:37:20 GMT -5
That Destra is going to be around for a while.
Last couple of episodes have been top notch.
Every week I keep thinking about the reveal and it looks like next week we're finally getting it.
But wouldn't that have been indicative in the scans?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 19:31:05 GMT -5
nothing new.. i guess Lupin/Pato X will debuted in May or June?
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Post by xman on Mar 26, 2018 20:36:04 GMT -5
So far, I am actually enjoying Umika's character as a sentai yellow ranger in episode 07. As long as they make more decent episodes like this surrounding her character arc, we might have something to make up having three years of forgettable sentai yellow rangers. Or possibly four if you include Mio/Toq #3 from Toqger. Next week's episode, I have my doubts because a part of me thinks that it's going to be another idiot plot. And I have a huge pet peeve/hatred toward idiot plot TV episodes and movies. (I am looking at you, Super Hero Taisen, "Shell Shocked" from Power Rangers In Space and Super Taisen GP!)
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Post by Sh Ranger on Mar 27, 2018 11:44:32 GMT -5
^ I remember Leo and Spada.
Lupin Red's going to disguise his clones as Blue and Yellow to trick the Gangler and Patrangers, pretty sneaky.
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Post by crossranger on Mar 27, 2018 14:49:22 GMT -5
^^
Hey, Shell Shocked is a masterpiece in comparison to Super Hero Taisen. And it's Breaking Bad comparing it with GP...
But I'm with you with the Sentai Yellows. Spada and Leo are sólo forgetable.
Mío is good but no memorable.
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Post by cd on Mar 28, 2018 6:27:52 GMT -5
Episode summaries:
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