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Post by darkranger237 on May 6, 2018 18:15:05 GMT -5
If AoS gets renewed most likely Coulson won't appear much on the show due to him appearing in Captain Marvel.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on May 6, 2018 19:53:48 GMT -5
Okay, but you were saying the infighting was all Daisy's fault and I conclusively proved otherwise.
Restoring Daisy's powers was not Fitz's decision. What a person does with their body is not anyone else's decision. Ever. Deciding otherwise is a human rights violation, full stop. Saying Daisy should be thanking her torturer is disgusting.
Talbot going nuts is 100% Fitz/Simmons/Elena's fault. It could have been avoided if they weren't so cocky and arrogant. Saying it's May and Daisy's fault is simply factually incorrect.
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Post by neoaguni on May 6, 2018 20:33:06 GMT -5
The only thing you proved was you're own Bias, and the fact that you can see past the tip of your own nose. There's also the fact that you don't seem to really be able to comprehend anything at all.
Ruby was about to beat Daisy down in that frozen tundra, which is why she had to quake her. If she had listened to Fitz and Simmons and gone for the machine. They'd have been able to get Coulson and Talbot and even found Hale's base(Which they wouldn't have been able to do in the first place if Yo-Yo hadn't killed the russian dude) and sabotaged the machine so it couldn't be used at all. Also at the end on this week's episode it's amazing how you so effortlessly you missed the part where Coulson was 2nd in command to Talbot on the Ship. Phil had his ear and his trust that was of course until Daisy stuck her nose where it didn't belong. Now Coulson and May are prisoners of war on an Alien Ship and Daisy is in Kasius's hands and will make her the destroyer if worlds.
In other words the end of the Earth and the cause of Human subjugation to the Kree is all the fault of Daisy Johnson and Melinda May.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on May 6, 2018 21:35:38 GMT -5
Daisy was content not going on field missions. She wouldn't have encountered Ruby if she wasn't repowered.
Maybe Daisy would have listened to their ideas if one of them didn't torture her.
Talbot was going nuts. He was slipping right off that slope the entire episode without May and Daisy's intervention. Talbot was torturing Phil and making him kneel before they even showed up. He was teaming up with Kasius without them doing anything.
The problems all trace back to Fitzsimmons and Elena failing to be rational, moral people this season.
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Post by Kendra Navarro on May 6, 2018 22:03:33 GMT -5
I don't agree with the whole "its all Daisy's fault" but then again she wasn't even wanting to return to the present either. True that Phil iced her and carried back to the present yet I was surprised she wasn't angry. He did it mainly because he wasn't willing to give up on the one person who is like a daughter to him. They proved that the end of the world thing wasn't her fault so I think those who say it is need to really stop it. You sound ridiculous.
Talbot always was kind of nuts. They just brought it out in the open this season.
Daisy didn't want her powers back. Fitz forced her so she could be empowered when the end of the world stuff began when they returned to the present.
Edit: I also wanted to add something in here, because I understand why she originally left for awhile and met up with Robbie Reyes and hung out with him. She felt responsible for Lincoln's death. She believed it was to be her and not him who was to die in her vision, but he chose to take her place. She felt guilty for that she didn't want anyone else dying in her place.
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Post by neoaguni on May 6, 2018 22:52:12 GMT -5
Daisy was content not going on field missions. She wouldn't have encountered Ruby if she wasn't repowered. Maybe Daisy would have listened to their ideas if one of them didn't torture her. Talbot was going nuts. He was slipping right off that slope the entire episode without May and Daisy's intervention. Talbot was torturing Phil and making him kneel before they even showed up. He was teaming up with Kasius without them doing anything. The problems all trace back to Fitzsimmons and Elena failing to be rational, moral people this season. Nope the problems still all trace back to Daisy. By the way remind me How many agents were killed by those Aliens because the Shield team's most powerful fighter was off gallivanting. Which also prompted Talbot to get in the infuser. All of this comes back to one simple fact. Daisy is Selfish and at this point is a horrible leader. And as Future Yo-Yo. said trying to save Coulson lead to the End. Whose trying to save him. Who is selfishly putting her needs before the greater good? Daisy Johnson.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on May 7, 2018 7:14:38 GMT -5
Dark I am sure if they are renewed coulson, will be a main character still. You forget captain marvel is being set some time in the 1990s. Where as shield is set in the present day. Also captain marvel has been filming officially for the past month or so and these films are usually shot with. A 4 to 5 month window for bulk of filming. With then any possible reshoots a few months later. Also captain marvel is shooting mostly on west coast where I believe shield films.
So I doubt what ever amount of time Phil actor is doing for captain marvel will after filming for next season of shield if they are picked up. As he may not have that big of a role in the film. And shield if picked up wouldn't be starting filming of next season to july/aug. Pretty much after captain marvel has wrapped filming. Any issue that could arise would be if coulson is needed for reshoots. When shield would be in production. But I would figure they would work with shield schedule.
As for talbot he was already screwed up by lmd shooting him. And then being brainwashed by hydra for months. So you can see why he snap and went loco. Plus you do have to remember Franklin and Ian where in the element. And affected both creel and ruby. And we know hall didn't like phil. So who's to say talbot is in total control of his body any more.
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Post by Kendra Navarro on May 7, 2018 7:50:23 GMT -5
Sounds like their are some Daisy haters in here. Truth is, she didn't want her powers back. She was forced into it. She even told Phil she could still be a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent without her powers, so no. None of it was her fault.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on May 7, 2018 7:58:34 GMT -5
Just like Daisy said "Don't put that on me." She cannot be blamed for other people dying. That's an extreme logical fallacy. She isn't just some weapon that exists solely for protecting the base. Maybe the people who were actually present for that should learn how to be better fighters and not have to rely on her all the time. And Daisy still hasn't been told about Future Elena's warning. Elena only told Coulson and May, TEN WEEKS after she herself found out. Daisy has no way of knowing this information. Your blaming her for not knowing something nobody has told her. And need I remind you, Robin said Coulson is the key to fixing everything. Maybe he needs to die in the end, but they need to keep him alive until he gets the chance. Who is heroically doing everything she can to save the future, even though the rest of them treat her like crap? Daisy Johnson.
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Post by neoaguni on May 7, 2018 12:13:04 GMT -5
You know it amazes me every single time you post you prove more and more why nobody should ever listen to you.
Daisy is doing absolutely nothing to save the world. She is working toward one solution saving Coulson everyone else be damned and she'll gladly let a lot of other people die, so she can have her way.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on May 7, 2018 12:53:18 GMT -5
I think it's a bit much blame daisy for all that happened in the bunker and talbot getting the power. That all could have happened even if she was there.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on May 7, 2018 13:20:15 GMT -5
You know it amazes me every single time you post you prove more and more why nobody should ever listen to you. "Hey pot, this is neoaguni, you're black." Except Robin made it explicity clear they need Phil. Saving Phil right now = saving the world.
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Post by Kendra Navarro on May 7, 2018 14:45:09 GMT -5
Thank you, Brady! Finally someone listens to me!
Btw just to let you guys know ABC plans to force the season 6 renewal of the series so we just might get it.
Just out of curiosity, did anyone else find Lincoln a little shady at times? I really hope it isn't just me. I am re-watching season 3 and I have to say his actions at times even had the others questioning his motives despite how Daisy felt about him.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on May 12, 2018 13:36:51 GMT -5
Good episode last night for shirld. And I Def think from reports seen during the last few episodes. These last few episodes are happening within events of infinity war. As it looks like we are just after fight in NY but just before wankana battle.
Talbot stuff was good with him taking creel power and the stuff with his kid and wife was good. I did like seeing yoyo and mack try to stop him. Also Fitz Simmons trying to figure out how to help Phil and stop talbot.
Phil, daisy, may, and deke on the ship was some good scenes too. Like daddy kasis and daisy, the Phil and may kiss. And hot dam with end do they save Phil or use device to stop talbot and oh cap talbot took robin.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on May 12, 2018 15:37:07 GMT -5
I did mostly enjoy the episode, and you know why? Because the team weren't all fighting each other.
2 things I didn't like: 1) Talbot still being the villain. It just doesn't sot right with me. 2) Killing Creel. He had the potential for so many cool scenes like our other powered team members and he got wasted.
I like Fitz and Simmons theory on how actually "saving" Coulson vs just "trying to save" Coulson might be what changes the future. That would be a clever loophole out of the 'Coulson Must Die' plot.
Daisy was on fire last night. Quaking herself out of an astral dimension? Incredible.
Phil and Melinda's kiss was also great. I love Daisy's reaction. "Hot lips" indeed lol.
I will say I like how they've finally narrowed it down to why the final choice is between Coulson and the world. So obviously Melinda and Daisy will vote to save Phil, and Elena will vote not too. I wonder where the rest of the team will fall.
Not to mention, who's gonna get dusted? I'm assuming that's the whole reason they've brought Piper and Davis back. Most people seem to assume Deke since that way they'll briefly think they've altered history. Personally I think it'd be interesting if either Fitz or Simmons goes but Deke survived, giving them hope that they'll be brought back eventually.
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