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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 14, 2018 8:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 28, 2018 17:28:57 GMT -5
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 4, 2018 19:19:51 GMT -5
Got home a little while ago from seeing the film. It wasn't the worst film ever. Sure wasn't the best either. I would put it middle of the road type of gilm. Visuals looked good, action scenes was nice. Most of the acting was ok. There was also some nice cameos.
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Post by zarius on Oct 5, 2018 10:27:58 GMT -5
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 5, 2018 10:46:38 GMT -5
Looks like the reviews didn't hurt the movie at the box office. Good. I really dislike sites like Rotten Tomatoes because I feel that they've created a culture of "sheepleism" where people no longer make up their own minds about what is or isnt "good" and allow "majority opinion" to change their minds about things they'd previously been interested in seeing, so I'm always happy when I see examples of people ignoring the "opinions" of such sites. |
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 5, 2018 15:30:38 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't out right say doing ten million for preview night will mean opening weekend do well. There yes the chance the film hits expected opening numbers. But there is always a chance film could bottom out and not get close then following weeks just slips and slips.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 6, 2018 11:38:21 GMT -5
looks like film is exceeding projections for the opening weekend: |
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Post by darkranger237 on Oct 6, 2018 21:54:05 GMT -5
It looks interesting. I hope Sony even if separated could find a way to include Venom in the MCU because think how well would it be if they adapted the comic Maximum Carnage as part of the MCU?
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 7, 2018 7:15:32 GMT -5
Dark that isn't going to happen. Marvel studios had nothing to do with Venom. Venom director pretty much confirmed that in a recent interview. Since marvel had no part with venom or any of the upcoming spiderman less films.
they are all set in there own franchise and universe as we already know internally at Sony titled "Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters". Plus we know with how deal with marvel and Sony is marvel gets right to use spiderman, and select villains and supporting players. And those characters and solo spiderman films are with the marvel studios mcu universe. But Sony has access to 900 characters that fall under the spiderman family characters.
They have rights to develop animated films or live action films like spider verse, silk, jackpot, black cat/silver Sable, morbius, and nightwatch which are all in various planning stages. Still for me I wish the spiderman rights where not all spilt up between both companies. Because I think that sucks for marvel gets only these guys but not others. Plus we all know Sony them self haven't had the best track record and have botched things.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 7, 2018 12:04:11 GMT -5
While Marvel Studios will likely never acknowledge the events of Venom or other Sony Marvel Universe projects in their own films, there is nothing preventing Sony from acknowledging the events of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in said films or requesting/directing Kevin Feige to do so.
Despite Spider-Man's inclusion in films such as Captain America Civil War and Avengers Infinity War, he and his supporting characters do not belong to Marvel Studios; they belong to Sony, who retains the right to utilize them however and wherever they desire. Marvel Studios is simply leasing Peter and other characters to Marvel Studios and "subcontracting" the production of films featuring those characters to Kevin Feige, dictating and directly shaping the narrative trajectory of the former and retaining the right to be consulted, informally, in regards to the latter.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 7, 2018 14:29:35 GMT -5
Actually digic that is not true. There is a clear line that Sony can do this and marvel can do that. The deal they have is only spiderman solo films and characters marvel studios is using are allowed to in the mcu. What Sony doing them self with venom and the other films they have in works are just a Sony creation and marvel studios has no say in them. And Sony can't go and say it's mcu.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 7, 2018 19:57:00 GMT -5
Actually digic that is not true. There is a clear line that Sony can do this and marvel can do that. The deal they have is only spiderman solo films and characters marvel studios is using are allowed to in the mcu. What Sony doing them self with venom and the other films they have in works are just a Sony creation and marvel studios has no say in them. And Sony can't go and say it's mcu. it is true, actually; Marvel Studios has zero control over what Sony does, and would have little legal recourse because of their partnership agreement were Sony to subtly or overtly refer to the events of the MCU in one of their films short of terminating said agreement, which they won't do because it would cost them the use of Spider-Man. There was absolutely nothing prohibiting Sony from including the character of Spider-Man - played by Tom Holland or otherwise - or referencing the events of Captain America Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, or Avengers Infinity War in Venom other than them not wanting to do so. |
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 7, 2018 21:08:19 GMT -5
Again Sony can't do that. There is a clear spilt as I said what Sony can do and not do. Same with marvel can and can't do. Ultimately look at it as how things where in past with old Sony or old fox. These films are it's own separate things and not at all tied to marvel studios and disney. No different again as past with marvel entertainment name used vs the now Marvel studios and mcu brand.
If you have read up on the whole sharing rights deal. It's clearly shows this. Yes legally Sony does control the film rights as we know now of 900 marvel characters that fall under the spiderman world. And like old fox there is a few shared characters who both can use at same time if they wanted. But again what Sony is doing and what marvel studios is doing is totally separate and one can't say they are this or that.
As for the situation with the solo spiderman films and spiderman team up appearances it is creatively and produced fully by marvel studios. Sony doesn't have a creative control in that. All they are is the ones who foot the costs and get the box office reward from.
Where as with venom and the future Sony films marvel does not control those films at all. As no one from marvel studios has a part of those films. This isn't like the whole mcu and the mcu TV shows where the film's don't really talk about the TV shows and the shows can reference things from films.
Again Sony can't go and say venom or any of these future films are mcu. Due to how the whole sharing deal works out. So don't expect venom or any of the future Sony made films to become mcu cannon.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 7, 2018 21:23:08 GMT -5
^ You and I are talking at cross purposes here because you're not understanding what I'm talking about.
You're right that Sony cannot directly claim their non-Spider-Man films as being part of the MCU, but that is not what I'm referring to.
What I'm referring to is referencing events from the MCU as they pertain to Spider-Man directly or contracting with Tom Holland for an appearance in one of their "SMU" films, thus creating an 'adjacent' tie between the MCU, Spider-Man, and the Sony Marvel Universe.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 7, 2018 21:30:55 GMT -5
Digic from what I read Tom, and spiderman legally can't appear in those Sony only films. The deal with him is that marvel studios controls creatively the use of him. And he only appears in the mcu. Sony can only use in the Sony only films all the other 900 characters they have rights too. Only time Sony can use spiderman and Peter is the animated film.
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