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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 25, 2018 13:12:20 GMT -5
^ Indeed, you are trying to pass off your opinions as facts, this is misinformation. Again, the only "evidence" you can provide is the same nonsense as usual. Debates are supposed to be productive and interesting, not tedious. You think I don't like being proved wrong, well it's not true. I encourage anyone to challenge my view and prove me wrong, unfortunately you seem to lack the right means. This is why, even though you were correct about Black Knight, you couldn't prove it. No, I want a REAL sixth like White Dino Ranger or Gold Samurai Ranger. That's why I would be happy if Green Hippo was adapted or Saban created their own PR exclusive sixth. There's really nothing saying they aren't sixth rangers besides you just not wanting to say they are. Also, Beast Morphers will condense Gobusters so I expect Gold and Silver to debut in the range of episode 4-8, give or take. That's just a guess though. I don't know why they'd have them appear as early as episode 4. Starninger (fully) debuted in episode 10 of Ninninger and his counterpart appeared in episode 8 of Ninja Steel. Same goes for Megaforce/Super Megaforce and Dino Charge. They all appeared around 8. Beet and Stag don't appear until like episode 15. They have plenty of episodes to adapt without them before they debut. They don't adapt every episode, but I don't see them cutting out about ten-ish episodes to have them debut super early. They might wanna change things because there are less rangers this time around, but I doubt it. There's nothing saying a lot of rangers aren't sixths, you guys are the people making these incredulous claims and I'm just here to debunk them. It's just people jumping to conclusions. I estimated a range of 4-8 and both Super Mega Force Silver and Ninja Steel Gold debuted in episode 8 so it's plausible that Gold and Silver Beast Rangers will debut within the range as well.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Apr 25, 2018 15:15:31 GMT -5
There's nothing saying a lot of rangers aren't sixths, you guys are the people making these incredulous claims and I'm just here to debunk them. It's just people jumping to conclusions. Yeah, there are a lot of rangers that join in later that aren't sixths. But it's pretty obvious that Beet and Stag are there to take the sixth ranger role in Go Busters. You arguing that doesn't change it. They have their own megazord, special morphers, their own weapon, the typical sixth ranger colors, they appear around the normal time the sixth rangers appear, and we can assume that Gai would transform into one of them (or a hybrid like Go On Wings) in a gokai change. Because if they were just extra/additional rangers, Don and Ahim would've been seen as them in Super Hero Getter 2016 like GekiViolet and GekiChopper. I don't see how they aren't sixth rangers. And you're just arguing it for no real reason. I have no problem with agreeing to disagree, but it also feels like you're trying to pass you opinion off as fact. Evidence has been given, which you pretty much just ignore and say "Nope." Meanwhile, you haven't given a good reason why they aren't sixths. You just claim they aren't. I don't even think it's as big of a deal as it's being made. They're most likely gonna take the sixth ranger spot in Beast Morphers anyways.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Apr 25, 2018 16:15:56 GMT -5
Debates are supposed to be productive and interesting, not tedious. What's tedious is you just saying No to everyone else's provided facts and instead insisting your unfounded opinion is correct.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 25, 2018 16:36:02 GMT -5
It's funny you mention that for the key, PKS because I honestly wonder if it would just be J for the combo form. Also thank you for the backup on sentai getter.
After this I am so ready for an orange ranger. And you think nickelodeon would be too. Watch, after this, it's LuPat.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 25, 2018 16:55:18 GMT -5
Debates are supposed to be productive and interesting, not tedious. What's tedious is you just saying No to everyone else's provided facts and instead insisting your unfounded opinion is correct. My opinion is founded on intuitive logic, it's consistent and makes a lot of sense. It's not good to take these "facts" at face value, they're no more correct than my opinion. There's nothing saying a lot of rangers aren't sixths, you guys are the people making these incredulous claims and I'm just here to debunk them. It's just people jumping to conclusions. Yeah, there are a lot of rangers that join in later that aren't sixths. But it's pretty obvious that Beet and Stag are there to take the sixth ranger role in Go Busters. You arguing that doesn't change it. They have their own megazord, special morphers, their own weapon, the typical sixth ranger colors, they appear around the normal time the sixth rangers appear, and we can assume that Gai would transform into one of them (or a hybrid like Go On Wings) in a gokai change. Because if they were just extra/additional rangers, Don and Ahim would've been seen as them in Super Hero Getter 2016 like GekiViolet and GekiChopper. I don't see how they aren't sixth rangers. And you're just arguing it for no real reason. I have no problem with agreeing to disagree, but it also feels like you're trying to pass you opinion off as fact. Evidence has been given, which you pretty much just ignore and say "Nope." Meanwhile, you haven't given a good reason why they aren't sixths. You just claim they aren't. I don't even think it's as big of a deal as it's being made. They're most likely gonna take the sixth ranger spot in Beast Morphers anyways. You contradict yourself. Geki Chopper is a sixth and yet his Legendary Ranger Key is assigned to Ahim by default. You guys can't use flawed Gokaiger logic to solve your problems. I always argue for a good reason, hoping that someone will understand my logic, I'm compelled to act when I see people trying to fabricate the truth. Sometimes passion gets the better of me and I sound hypocritical but I would like to reach an amicable "agree to disagree" conclusion. If you guys want to believe that Beet and Stag are sixths then fine, but respect needs to be mutual. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation. I don't consider the evidence provided to be valid but I also don't mind if it's the basis for your beliefs.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Apr 25, 2018 17:14:02 GMT -5
My opinion is founded on intuitive logic, it's consistent and makes a lot of sense. It's not good to take these "facts" at face value, they're no more correct than my opinion. But also remember they aren't less correct. You contradict yourself. Geki Chopper is a sixth and yet his Legendary Ranger Key is assigned to Ahim by default. You guys can't use flawed Gokaiger logic to solve your problems. I think I'll go with what's actually said in the show over what a fan on the internet says. If they appear on Gokai Silver's armor, they're a sixth. It's not that hard to understand, really. Is the logic kind of flawed? Yeah. But it's actually what's in the show. If the show says someone isn't a sixth, that pretty much means they aren't a sixth. And if we're just ignoring all the flawed logic in Sentai/PR, we'd be ignoring a LOT of things about the show. If you guys want to believe that Beet and Stag are sixths then fine, but respect needs to be mutual. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation. I don't consider the evidence provided to be valid but I also don't mind if it's the basis for your beliefs. Yeah, that's fine, but don't forget that you're the one who started this whole thing by trying to tell someone "no" when they said Beet and Stag are sixths. So yeah, respect needs to be mutual, so that would mean you shouldn't start something by demanding someone's wrong but then say "agree to disagree" and claiming it's misinformation. We can respect each other's opinions, but that doesn't work when you literally say you're here to "debunk" opinions different than yours. And again, you haven't exactly given a reason why they aren't sixths at all. But, we can agree to disagree, because at this rate it's going back and forth.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 26, 2018 1:22:59 GMT -5
Plus, Gai is even the legit canon Sentai Fan in the show. He knows which ones are sixths. And since it's canon, it's fact for the show. The armor features every canon sixth up to gokaiger, whether fans like it or not.
Back to Go-Busters, though. Comedic sides came out and it seems the assisting team will feature a funny sister brother combo.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Apr 26, 2018 8:14:54 GMT -5
Sees really still on what is or isn't a 6th ranger. It's been brought up many times for example like dt and it's sentai counterpart white was indeed classified as a 6th even though the team only had 5 rangers. No different from rpm/go on gold and silver was treated as 6th ranger. When they are 6 and 7 rangers. Also if you really want to be technical on a ranger or a ranger like ally I would just go to official source ie Saban or toei and in what they as companies classify x character. As we fans may call it 1 thing but the companies call it something different. And the company word is the real call.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Apr 26, 2018 15:15:56 GMT -5
Back to Go-Busters, though. Comedic sides came out and it seems the assisting team will feature a funny sister brother combo. Sounds like Victor and Monty, except a brother/sister duo. ...Oh joy.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Apr 26, 2018 15:28:10 GMT -5
I don't mind goofy supporting characters like we have had in past. But ya let's hope they are not like Victor and monty. I rather it be more like Henderson boom or mick.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 26, 2018 15:51:42 GMT -5
Sees really still on what is or isn't a 6th ranger. It's been brought up many times for example like dt and it's sentai counterpart white was indeed classified as a 6th even though the team only had 5 rangers. No different from rpm/go on gold and silver was treated as 6th ranger. When they are 6 and 7 rangers. Also if you really want to be technical on a ranger or a ranger like ally I would just go to official source ie Saban or toei and in what they as companies classify x character. As we fans may call it 1 thing but the companies call it something different. And the company word is the real call. Sixth rangers have always been a sensitive subject due to clashing opinions. Perhaps this is why it causes so much debate whenever it is mentioned. Hell, I once compiled a list of sixth rangers to determine the most popular sixth ranger color and I made sure to prevent any unintentional provocation by bracketing the word debatable for any rangers whose sixth ranger status was disputed among fans. And it still summoned Sixthrangerfan in to the thread. Told me (paraphrasing) my opinion was wrong and that there is only one true classification for sixth rangers. See, this kind of behavior is uncalled for and insufferable. There has never been a PR season without a sixth ranger so I think it's probable that Saban will either adapt Green Hippo or create a new sixth for Beast Morphers. Of course, it's difficult to bring that up without provoking Sixthrangerfan. It's virtually impossible to hold any discussion about sixth rangers without somebody getting offended and starting a war of opinions and so-called facts. My opinion is founded on intuitive logic, it's consistent and makes a lot of sense. It's not good to take these "facts" at face value, they're no more correct than my opinion. But also remember they aren't less correct. Fair enough. Opinions are subjective after all. You contradict yourself. Geki Chopper is a sixth and yet his Legendary Ranger Key is assigned to Ahim by default. You guys can't use flawed Gokaiger logic to solve your problems. I think I'll go with what's actually said in the show over what a fan on the internet says. If they appear on Gokai Silver's armor, they're a sixth. It's not that hard to understand, really. Is the logic kind of flawed? Yeah. But it's actually what's in the show. If the show says someone isn't a sixth, that pretty much means they aren't a sixth. And if we're just ignoring all the flawed logic in Sentai/PR, we'd be ignoring a LOT of things about the show. You can believe whichever side you like. You're a fan on the internet as well. All the rangers on Gokai Silver's/Super Mega Force Gold's armor are, as far as I'm aware, undisputed sixths. The source of debate here is the rangers NOT on the armor such as those I consider sixths including Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger, Magna Defender and Titanium Ranger. Take note that sixth ranger criteria is different between PR and Sentai which explains Magna Defender's absence. Obviously Titanium isn't on the armor due to his lack of Sentai counterpart. Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger however is absent for no reason other than Gokaiger's internal logic regarding sixth ranger classifications. That's why I can't accept Gokaiger logic as it clashes with my own beliefs. If you guys want to believe that Beet and Stag are sixths then fine, but respect needs to be mutual. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation. I don't consider the evidence provided to be valid but I also don't mind if it's the basis for your beliefs. Yeah, that's fine, but don't forget that you're the one who started this whole thing by trying to tell someone "no" when they said Beet and Stag are sixths. So yeah, respect needs to be mutual, so that would mean you shouldn't start something by demanding someone's wrong but then say "agree to disagree" and claiming it's misinformation. We can respect each other's opinions, but that doesn't work when you literally say you're here to "debunk" opinions different than yours. And again, you haven't exactly given a reason why they aren't sixths at all. But, we can agree to disagree, because at this rate it's going back and forth. You said agree to disagree, it's basically your catchphrase. I understand what you're trying to say though. Practice what I preach, is that right? Okay. Anyway, I did provide a very good reason in the past for why I think Beet and Stag shouldn't be considered sixths. I think it's illogical and implausible for a season with only 5 rangers to have 2 sixths when there are people who claim a season with 7 like Gekiranger/Jungle Fury has 0 sixths. All the reasons you give for Beet and Stag being sixths is also the same criteria met by Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger and yet his status is disputed. Unique suit, check. Unique weapon, check. Henkei mecha, check. Then you make an exception for him since he's not on armor, it seems strange to me, like your beliefs are malleable. Nevertheless, your opinion, you're entitled to it.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Apr 26, 2018 16:23:26 GMT -5
I still doubt we will see them use movie only rangers. As I brought up they usually don't have rights to movie stuff. Unless they bought it with series rights. And so far we only had serrator movie footage use and a bit of go on team up footage use for samurai. We only used DC sent film for a suit for a bad guy and no footage. If they want to so an extra ranger it more likely be dark buster use used and packaged into another ranger then those movie ranger ones.
But ultimately again there is still many questions we have for go buster adaption. Is it 1 year of just 22 episodes. Is it normal nick deal of 2 22 seasons. Do Saban just want to do five rangers. Do they want a 6th. Plus will we have stupid un needed cockpit modes and other stuff.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Apr 26, 2018 16:26:09 GMT -5
There has never been a PR season without a sixth ranger so I think it's probable that Saban will either adapt Green Hippo or create a new sixth for Beast Morphers I mean... Alien rangers... But in all seriousness, I do think it's possible that they might come up with a PR exclusive sixth to avoid confusion, but if they do I doubt it would be Green Hippo because it's clearly just a repaint of blue. I think they'd probably create a new suit to match the Lion or Frog zords. I think I'll go with what's actually said in the show over what a fan on the internet says. If they appear on Gokai Silver's armor, they're a sixth. It's not that hard to understand, really. Is the logic kind of flawed? Yeah. But it's actually what's in the show. If the show says someone isn't a sixth, that pretty much means they aren't a sixth. And if we're just ignoring all the flawed logic in Sentai/PR, we'd be ignoring a LOT of things about the show. You can believe whichever side you like. You're a fan on the internet as well. All the rangers on Gokai Silver's/Super Mega Force Gold's armor are, as far as I'm aware, undisputed sixths. The source of debate here is the rangers NOT on the armor such as those I consider sixths including Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger, Magna Defender and Titanium Ranger. Take note that sixth ranger criteria is different between PR and Sentai which explains Magna Defender's absence. Obviously Titanium isn't on the armor due to his lack of Sentai counterpart. Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger however is absent for no reason other than Gokaiger's internal logic regarding sixth ranger classifications. That's why I can't accept Gokaiger logic as it clashes with my own beliefs. I guess the point I'm trying to make is... what makes you beliefs more important than what the show says? It sometimes seem like you believe that what you in particular think on certain topics is more real that what the show actually considers official. Yeah, that's fine, but don't forget that you're the one who started this whole thing by trying to tell someone "no" when they said Beet and Stag are sixths. So yeah, respect needs to be mutual, so that would mean you shouldn't start something by demanding someone's wrong but then say "agree to disagree" and claiming it's misinformation. We can respect each other's opinions, but that doesn't work when you literally say you're here to "debunk" opinions different than yours. And again, you haven't exactly given a reason why they aren't sixths at all. But, we can agree to disagree, because at this rate it's going back and forth. You said agree to disagree, it's basically your catchphrase. I understand what you're trying to say though. Practice what I preach, is that right? Okay. Anyway, I did provide a very good reason in the past for why I think Beet and Stag shouldn't be considered sixths. I think it's illogical and implausible for a season with only 5 rangers to have 2 sixths when there are people who claim a season with 7 like Gekiranger/Jungle Fury has 0 sixths. All the reasons you give for Beet and Stag being sixths is also the same criteria met by Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger and yet his status is disputed. Unique suit, check. Unique weapon, check. Henkei mecha, check. Then you make an exception for him since he's not on armor, it seems strange to me, like your beliefs are malleable. Nevertheless, your opinion, you're entitled to it. Like I said, the logic is kind of flawed, no doubt. But again, it's what's in the show, and that's what I'm trying to go by. There's really nothing in the show saying that Beet and Stag aren't sixths and there is definitely something in the show saying GekiChopper isn't a sixth. If we get something similar for Beet and Stag, then we'll agree. I'm just gonna consider them sixths because they undoubtedly fill that spot in Go Busters. (Also, you could argue that GekiChopper doesn't fit all of the reasons Beet and Stag do because Beet and Stag had the typical sixth ranger colors and white isn't really all that typical for sixths, but I feel like that's nitpicking) But, you also made another point. The sixth ranger criteria is different between Sentai/PR. Gold and Silver are most likely going to take the sixth ranger spot for Beast Morphers, even if they might not be in the sentai. And that's what this thread is for. Beast Morphers. So if Gold and Silver debut around episode 8, like I'm expecting them to take the role of Sixth for the season. At this point, I think we both understand where the other is coming from, though, so hopefully at this point it's less of a full on argument and more of a discussion.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 26, 2018 16:59:09 GMT -5
There has never been a PR season without a sixth ranger so I think it's probable that Saban will either adapt Green Hippo or create a new sixth for Beast Morphers I mean... Alien rangers... But in all seriousness, I do think it's possible that they might come up with a PR exclusive sixth to avoid confusion, but if they do I doubt it would be Green Hippo because it's clearly just a repaint of blue. I think they'd probably create a new suit to match the Lion or Frog zords. Maybe it's just me, but if you look at the hippo ears and the eyes above the visor, it kind of looks like a frog leaping. I did plan a unique sixth ranger for the lion zord in my Gobusters adaption fanfic though (cancelled due to Beast Morphers) so you have a point, who knows what Saban will do? You can believe whichever side you like. You're a fan on the internet as well. All the rangers on Gokai Silver's/Super Mega Force Gold's armor are, as far as I'm aware, undisputed sixths. The source of debate here is the rangers NOT on the armor such as those I consider sixths including Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger, Magna Defender and Titanium Ranger. Take note that sixth ranger criteria is different between PR and Sentai which explains Magna Defender's absence. Obviously Titanium isn't on the armor due to his lack of Sentai counterpart. Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger however is absent for no reason other than Gokaiger's internal logic regarding sixth ranger classifications. That's why I can't accept Gokaiger logic as it clashes with my own beliefs. I guess the point I'm trying to make is... what makes you beliefs more important than what the show says? It sometimes seem like you believe that what you in particular think on certain topics is more real that what the show actually considers official. I'm biased. It's only natural that I consider my own beliefs to be more important than the show's logic, which as you admit, is flawed. You said agree to disagree, it's basically your catchphrase. I understand what you're trying to say though. Practice what I preach, is that right? Okay. Anyway, I did provide a very good reason in the past for why I think Beet and Stag shouldn't be considered sixths. I think it's illogical and implausible for a season with only 5 rangers to have 2 sixths when there are people who claim a season with 7 like Gekiranger/Jungle Fury has 0 sixths. All the reasons you give for Beet and Stag being sixths is also the same criteria met by Geki Chopper/Rhino Ranger and yet his status is disputed. Unique suit, check. Unique weapon, check. Henkei mecha, check. Then you make an exception for him since he's not on armor, it seems strange to me, like your beliefs are malleable. Nevertheless, your opinion, you're entitled to it. Like I said, the logic is kind of flawed, no doubt. But again, it's what's in the show, and that's what I'm trying to go by. There's really nothing in the show saying that Beet and Stag aren't sixths and there is definitely something in the show saying GekiChopper isn't a sixth. If we get something similar for Beet and Stag, then we'll agree. I'm just gonna consider them sixths because they undoubtedly fill that spot in Go Busters. (Also, you could argue that GekiChopper doesn't fit all of the reasons Beet and Stag do because Beet and Stag had the typical sixth ranger colors and white isn't really all that typical for sixths, but I feel like that's nitpicking) But, you also made another point. The sixth ranger criteria is different between Sentai/PR. Gold and Silver are most likely going to take the sixth ranger spot for Beast Morphers, even if they might not be in the sentai. And that's what this thread is for. Beast Morphers. So if Gold and Silver debut around episode 8, like I'm expecting them to take the role of Sixth for the season. At this point, I think we both understand where the other is coming from, though, so hopefully at this point it's less of a full on argument and more of a discussion. I suppose if there's good reason to believe Gold and Silver Beast Rangers are sixths then sure, why not? Like how some people consider Shadow Ranger a sixth. Yeah, I think we reached a good conclusion here. Debates can be productive when both sides can respect each other's views. And if you have any further questions regarding this subject, feel safe to PM.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Apr 26, 2018 17:19:54 GMT -5
I think we're good. I agree that we've hit a good conclusion.
Anyways, going back to Beast Morphers all the way, I'm really hoping there would not be another comedic duo after Victor and Monty. Especially in an organization like I assume the rangers will be working at.
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