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Post by zarius on Mar 16, 2021 5:22:01 GMT -5
Yeah it's almost as if the superhero gerne is meant for a wider demographic & the "schmaltzy kiddie shit" gives a damn of appealing to the wider demographic & making people care about the characters. They're doing a wank job of it then, because I've never cared for MCU characters. Most of the time the characters are cracking jokes rather than taking anything seriously, and the audience don't really care what they're going through because Marvel are instructing them to react more to the memes and whatever comes on after the credits. And why go after the movie for setting up a sequel? Marvel movies exist only to hype the next Marvel movie. What's the difference? I don't agree with everything Snyder does, but at least he treats his movies with a degree of verisimilitude, you feel things are more important, more vast, more consequential, that these are gods you can relate to, not clowns you want to smack on the back of the head |
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Mar 16, 2021 9:48:01 GMT -5
I have to agree woth Zarius on this one. Most of the negative reviews I’ve read are saying “There’s just NO jokes! How am I supposed to like a movie with no jokes???”
Like, sometimes films are about serious things. I generally like Marvel films but their formula shouldn’t be the be all end all of superhero storytelling.
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Post by dj1107 on Mar 16, 2021 13:17:41 GMT -5
Most of the time the characters are cracking jokes rather than taking anything seriously, and the audience don't really care what they're going through because Marvel are instructing them to react more to the memes and whatever comes on after the credits. Yeah god forbid doing some quips in a comic book movie to bring levity to most of their plots. Also "We live in a Society" Difference is none of the Marvel Movies got a big moron-campagin to view the "original vision" of a mediocre movie. It's 5 years after the fact the Universe is dead, You could at the very least rework your vision to have an ending. Quite frankly the clowns have more relatability than the supposed gods. Captain America has an entire character arc of being unable to let go of the past or break his beliefs on doing the right thing no matter what. Superman had bad parents who told him not to use his powers because "people fear what they don't understand" & ups & quits after Lex Luthor bombs a meeting & leaves fermented piss in there. Iron Man despite his bravado & quips is a man on a self destructive path in trying to fix a world. Batman's a loon who brands people & plots to murder a guy before learning their mom has the same name & does a complete 180 on the guy. Like, sometimes films are about serious things. Yeah but these are SUPERHEROES. They're suppose to be fun & you could only be so serious with characters like Flash, Aquaman, or even Ant-Man. Even with the Nolan films for as serious as they are are able to inject some levity in there films without being dour as hell. It shouldn't & I agree but let's stop pretending Snyder's influence on the DC property is somehow the better alternative. While I think he's can capture shots from comics incredibly well his lack of understanding context or doing anything subtle with it is what ultimately damns the project. |
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Post by zarius on Mar 16, 2021 14:42:41 GMT -5
Except it isn't damming the project. The general consensus among critics and fans, even 'haters' is this movie is great, just a bit overlong. Variety magazine even says it accomplishes in four hours what the MCU achieved in nine movies.
Read the room and take the L this time Marvel stan. Snyder shoots, he scores!
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Post by dj1107 on Mar 16, 2021 15:33:38 GMT -5
Except it isn't damming the project. The general consensus among critics and fans, even 'haters' is this movie is great, just a bit overlong. Variety magazine even says it accomplishes in four hours what the MCU achieved in nine movies. Read the room and take the L this time Marvel stan. Snyder shoots, he scores! Yeah ONE review out of EARLY reviews. Once it releases that scores gonna drop off & even then the most positive thing said is "It's better then the old cut but still not good" Snyder might have scored but that's still 1 out of 20. You still lose Also don't call me a Marvel stan. I liked Aquaman, I liked Shazam, I liked Wonder Woman, I'm even giving The Suicide Squad a chance. So don't try to paint me like that because I have more bite to call out crap. |
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Post by zarius on Mar 17, 2021 7:42:44 GMT -5
Well, the movie leaked a day early (not just one hour thirty like the Tom and Jerry cut), I've watched four parts of it in a row and not once has it felt like a laborious chore.
Interestingly, a lot of stuff I thought was 100% Whedon were 100% Snyder. Not sure if I can consider that a good thing or not. Ezra is still annoying whenever he has to do comedy, but there's not a lot of humour in the movie now and he comes off much better when he's playing scenes straight.
Ray Fisher is the MVP, he gets so much to do here, he sells the potential of Cyborg as a character that is so much more than a Teen Titan. It's a shame it doesn't translate well to a solo comic book hit.
There's some things I would change, I'd tighten the pacing a bit, plus the chapter breaks make it feel like you're watching Frasier, but so far so good.
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Post by zarius on Mar 17, 2021 11:10:08 GMT -5
Finished watching it.
This was a cracking good way to spend a morning and early afternoon, with little boys' breaks in between. I don't think it'd have won any wars between the big two if it came out the way it is here in theatres or even if it were edited to fit a regular theatre run time, but it would have been a very satisfying film. Snyder's mistakes with Man of Steel and Batman v Superman aren't present here.
Ezra's Barry is great when he's given very little comedy, the relationship between Victor and his father lends the film it's emotional gravitas, Barry and Victor are the two most fleshed out League members, Arthur is kind of interesting at the start, but once his scenes with Dafoe and Benson are over, he sadly has very little to do and plays very much a 'straight man' role. Another character I feel is utterly wasted is Diana. The Whedon cut actually did more for her than this does in terms of an emotional arc. Her fights scenes are top notch though, and no pervy Flash faceplanting on top of her (although he does get horny for her and asks Victor if she's into younger men)
Lex's conversation with Deathstroke goes slightly differently...setting up the unmade Ben Affleck Batman movie. The Knightmare sequence 'cliff-hanger' is saved to the very last act of the movie as the epilogue (Henry didn't film any new scenes so Snyder reused a shot from Batman v Superman for him), Joker gets the lions share of the dialogue in the exchange between him and Bruce and it's a reined-in performance that comes off quite well.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Mar 18, 2021 23:22:47 GMT -5
The audience score on RT is 97 right now!
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Mar 21, 2021 12:23:45 GMT -5
I only watched the theatrical version of this once, but I do remember generally liking it, even if it wasn’t the best superhero film ever.
This version though? Holy cow. I was riveted the entire time. 4 hours and I didn’t feel like a single second was wasted. I’m honestly *shocked* that Cyborg had SO much great content that they cut out. And Steppenwolf was a great villain, I can’t believe he was cut so generically the first time.
I really just, loved everything? It was all so cool.
Even tho they’ll likely never happen all the new sequel set up stuff was really cool. And the super secret character reveal? I audibly gasped.
I’m just so happy this was given the chance to be released. It’s now one of my all time faves.
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