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Post by Sh Ranger on Nov 16, 2017 9:56:14 GMT -5
Start your engine! And Drive the Kamen Rider!
What did everybody think about the series and movies?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 20:06:35 GMT -5
it was good. i like all of the characters and the suits
i have seen one movie where if Japan is still in the war zone and it was great as well Mach movie
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Post by purplecreator on Nov 16, 2017 21:10:28 GMT -5
I like Drive. Me & some friends have done Drive Cosplays.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 9:12:47 GMT -5
You too? then which one?
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Post by purplecreator on Nov 17, 2017 10:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by dj1107 on Nov 18, 2017 5:54:32 GMT -5
So like when exactly did the show go bad? So far my only experience with Drive was MW Genesis which was.....Not good. Maybe that was just a poor representation but from what I understand stuff started to go pearshape in the show like the comedy becoming annoying or The whole thing about Roidmudes not really being evil yet doesn't stop the Heroes from killing them all or Kiriko becoming useless despite holding her own in previous encounters.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Nov 18, 2017 11:27:55 GMT -5
^ Yeah, Super Movie War Genesis isn't a good sample of Drive. I thought the show was a pretty enjoyable ride (get it?). Unfortunately, what you said about Kiriko is true. She even got special boots for fighting and they were quickly forgotten. Brain, Medic and Chaser had their cores destroyed by Banno and even though Heart was a good guy deep down, he still wanted to commit genocide so Shinnosuke had no choice. And whatever you heard about the comedy, I disagree.
Surprise Future was a great summer movie.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Nov 18, 2017 13:12:59 GMT -5
I don't understand the show's "logic" with Kiriko: We're supposed to see her as the perfect woman for Shinnosuke because she's his partner who can support him through anything and face up to any threat together. But in order to become his love interest she had to become less and less competent, be sidelined and turned into a damsel in distress ...
I kind of see Drive and Ghost as opposite ends of a scale with regards to the treatment of the villains:
Drive: All the Roidmudes are killed off, even the good ones, basically so that Shinnosuke can have a perfect happy ending and nothing has to change - humans don't have to adjust to living with another species. Gou wants to bring Chase back but is never allowed to
Ghost: The Ganma are not only redeemed, but all except Adel come back to life. Subsequently, all the main heroic cast except Onari either turn out to be Ganma or marry Ganma; everyone is assimilated into Ganma World
Ex-Aid is like the middle ground. The Bugsters who were good are allowed to survive, the bad ones are destroyed, but now humanity has to learn to live alongside the Bugsters. Meanwhile, the game disease is still a threat and the doctors don't know how to bring back the people who disappeared (although Emu is confident they will find a way.)
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Post by purplecreator on Nov 18, 2017 14:09:52 GMT -5
You have to consider what Kiriko went through. She's afraid if she smiles, it means she's letting her guard down and someone might hurt her. Hence why she rarely smiled. But anyone who can read emotions can see that she always had feelings for Shinnosuke.
Studied psychology in high school.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Nov 18, 2017 14:22:05 GMT -5
^ I'm not talking about that. I'm saying: In order to make the audience want to see Shinnosuke get together with Kiriko, the show promoted her as a competent partner who would stand with him against any threat. Then, in order to get the romance plot properly going, they made her weaker and in need of rescue - therefore, undermining one of the main factors that was supposed to make the romance appealing. Let's take a comparative example: The appeal of Tomoko and Ryuusei's romance in Fourze was supposed to be that they had such different personalities. Now imagine if, in order to set up Tomoko as Ryuusei's love interest, the show had her stop acting like a weird goth and lose her unique look and personality. It would basically kill one of the most important things that was supposed to make the viewer want this relationship to happen - which is exactly what Drive did.
The nonsense about Kiriko's smile also irritated me: a woman who doesn't smile being treated as a sign of something wrong, which she must overcome by falling in love with the guy and learning to become "normal". Contrast with the previous show, Gaim, where Kaito smiles only once in the entire show (right at the end of the final episode, after he's dead) yet people just accept that's the way he is and it's not treated as a big deal. It's gross and sexist; I've criticised this in other shows too, such as Boukenger with Sakura.
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Post by dj1107 on Nov 19, 2017 21:11:29 GMT -5
What's the consensus on the Saga films? I've seen opinions split about Mach & Hearts (the former trying too hard to be adult) but Mach's apparently was genuinely good & apparently helped fix his character.
Edit: I ment the Chaser film tried too hard to be adult not Mach.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Nov 20, 2017 2:49:06 GMT -5
Mach/Heart was decent and did make Gou more sympathetic. I had a couple of issues with it (forced romance, taking for granted that the audience had read the Mach novel, once again giving Gou the hope of reviving Chase but not letting him do it) but both parts had some genuinely good character writing. One of the best things was that it didn't try to retcon large parts of TV canon or shoehorn in new characters who we are supposed to believe were always there - putting it above basically all other V-Cinemas so far in that respect Chaser Saga IMO is the one that's trying too hard to be edgy - Medic & the villain showing their boobs, said villain basically sexually assaulting Chase, a gratuitously gory scene involving Chase. That aside though I think the story is pretty bad due to a lot of retconning (as mentioned above) - which implies Chase gaining emotions towards the end of the show was because someone else gave them to him, not because he developed them by himself. I think that makes a lot of his development in the show redundant and is pretty insulting to him |
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Post by xman on Jan 12, 2018 14:11:40 GMT -5
Well, I actually liked Kamen Rider Drive, but I to admit. The Chaser Saga, Heart/Mach saga v-cinemas were a bit underwhelming, story-wise. I never was a fan of the movie, "Super Movie War Genesis" because I thought everything that happened in the movue was just unnecessary. The summer movie, "Surprise Future"....Bad-ass! Even as a standalone movie, it's still bad-ass. The rest of the episodes are okay, but I think they could have done better with establishing some character growth for Shinnosuke and Kiriko.
Overall, I thought the show was okay. Not terrible, but it is better than Kamen Rider Wizard and Kamen Rider Ghost put-together, in my opinion.
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Post by purplecreator on Jul 1, 2020 19:32:12 GMT -5
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Post by Sh Ranger on Jul 2, 2020 11:07:10 GMT -5
As the only Heisei Phase 2 Rider to be denied the right of a pre-season cameo, a comeback in the Reiwa Era is the least justice this cop deserves! It would be awesome to see Shinnosuke henshin once more in the Saber x Zero One Movie War.
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