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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Oct 6, 2017 18:30:12 GMT -5
Just because you're not a kid doesn't mean you have to think about the hormones and puberty going on with the ToQger. I'm not a kid and never did I once think about that.
Again, what's saying they didn't just skip over all that when they woke up as adults? They woke up as adults. That's it. Nothing is saying they went through some horrible hormonal change during the whole thing. That's weird and nobody should be thinking about that. You're choosing to look at it in that way.
Also, yes, but when they grow, what happens UNDER the suit? Justin is in an adult body when he morphs. An adult shaped kid. Is that not just as weird as the ToQgers?
Honestly, nobody cares if you used to ship ToQ2/Wagon. Literally no one thinks of you different for it. It bothers no one except you. It was an honest mistake. It's still weird if you hold some kind of grudge against ToQger for "tricking you" on the other hand.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Oct 7, 2017 8:29:41 GMT -5
^ Like I said, I can't help it. That's how I rationalized the concept of kids turning in to adults and I find the result disturbing.
Justin growing is part of his superpowers, it's not like he's aging under the suit, you can see this in the scenes without his helmet.
Yeah, I guess I haven't really done anything wrong at all, not intentionally at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 12:01:34 GMT -5
So I'm gonna move away from the whole kids turning into adults is disturbing argument because let's not pile on right?
Also that titles confusing. ToQger doesn't hate adults btw. The core team is kids grown up magically. The show didn't talk down to its audience though. The plot got intense and pretty serious and the team are all kids. They're gonna be childish and not to mention were trying to figure out who they are and where their home is. Pretty deep for a show that is trying to talk down. I don't think ToQger was trying to offend.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Oct 8, 2017 11:59:52 GMT -5
I do dislike the idea that only children have magical powers (in this case, Imagination) and lose it when they grow up, but that particular concept is centuries old and found in media all over the world. You can't really blame ToQger for it ...
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Post by xman on Oct 9, 2017 22:14:43 GMT -5
Guys, I am sorry. But, I am just never gonna understand why people like Toqger so much. I mean, I don't understand why Toei couldn't just make the main five child actors who played Right, Tokkachi, Mio, Hikari and Kagura be the actual characters of the show, instead of the adult actors, themselves.
No offense to the five main adult actors who played those characters, but I think it could've been better, if the five main child actors were the ones wearing the Toqger suits, and were battling the Shadow Line in the manga universe or in the anime universe, instead of the adult actors doing all of that in the real world as part of the show's storyline. Hell, the concept should have been like Big Bad Beetleborgs, but in reverse where this time, the entire series is taking place in either the manga or in the anime series of Toqger being brought to life and the child versions of the main characters were sent into that world where they actually get to be their favorite heroes in that universe. That could work.
But, with that being said. Aside from Akira/Toq #6, the music, and the villain designs which are absolutely bad-ass in my opinion. I am just never connect to this series at all. I mean, I am glad I saw it, but I just don't think it really connects to me at all much like Timeranger, and Shinkenger did. And they were also handled by Yosaku Kobayashi quite well. But, I guess Toqger is a lot more memorable than pretty much anything that has happened in Gingaman and more baerable to watch than Gaoranger and Magiranger, nowadays.
So, if you liked it, that's okay. Me?! I am probably among the minority of people that really aren't into this particular sentai series for a lot of other reasons besides the train-themed suit designs.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Oct 10, 2017 15:32:56 GMT -5
Because it's a fun and actually emotional series at times. I enjoyed watching it all the way through and so far it's my favorite sentai.
We've never had a sentai full of all children before and I'm sure that's not a random risk they'd want to take out of nowhere. We just now got another kid ranger in Kyuranger after so many years. So they had a compromise with the rangers being children but adults.
Is it really all that hard to understand people having a different opinion about a TV show?
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Oct 10, 2017 16:48:25 GMT -5
I would rather listen to Aphex Twin's entire back catalogue played on a banjo than watch another episode of Magiranger, but I still agree its writing is better than ToQger's (I like Gingaman and Gaoranger a lot more)
There's no way they could have done a Sentai team of child actors though - Sentai actors have a punishing schedule and work very long hours, plus the stunt actors have to be adults so at the very least the heroes would need to grow to adult size in suit.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Oct 11, 2017 14:24:04 GMT -5
I admit Xman does like to exaggerate the fanbase ToQGer actually has, it gets at least as much hate as Ninninjer from what I've seen. But still, I can't fathom why such a controversial show has any fans at all. No offence to you, PKS. The reason why a kid Sentai has never happened before ToQGer is due to the franchise's adult superhero genre. So when the staff suddenly decided they wanted the team to be kids over halfway through its run, they had to add a tacked on and disturbing plot twist to "explain" their adult appearances. Honestly, I would have preferred if they made the team simple ordinary kids from the start. Yeah I wouldn't watch it more than 2 episodes probably but hey at least I could say "Meh I don't like this so I'll come back next year for ninjas" and move on.
I agree with Kaizoku Blue. Disregarding Kobayashi's risky writing style, the idea that kids have superior imaginations than us is pretty ridiculous.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Oct 11, 2017 15:10:09 GMT -5
No matter how many times you say it, it's still not disturbing. But, no offense taken.
Also, the twist wasn't tacked on. It was hinted at from the very beginning. It's not all that controversial just because you happen to think that the twist is disturbing when it isn't.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Oct 11, 2017 17:14:44 GMT -5
Calling it disturbing is a bit much, Sh. That more implies that your viewpoint on it is creating disturbing elements, like those who were character shipping. Plus, kids who watched it probably liked the twist of being made into adults. If it were tacked on, they wouldn't have used the kids as much as they did for footage. Sentai tends to know what they are doing with the whole season before it even gets aired.
I get people being put off by something like Akira and Kagura, but it didn't exist so people should stop looking so deeply into it. Mio and Tokatti were a better couple anyway and at least they were deliberately hinted at.
Also, Sentai stopped being an adult superhero genre when Zyuranger aired. Note to fans of all shows, don't dig to deep unless the show wants you to dig deep. One could easily call Ninninger disturbing then if one remembers Izayoi as a yokai dad and human mom, imagine that conception.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Oct 12, 2017 8:38:19 GMT -5
^ Well yeah I find it disturbing since I have a unique viewpoint, nobody else sees it like I do. I doubt kids would've liked the twist. When I was a kid, all I wanted to watch was adult superheroes, it's still my favorite genre. Adults are people that kids can look up to and idolize. The ToQGer kids were there for flashbacks and memory recollection sequences since that was the original plot.
Neither of those ships appealed to me. I only cared about Tokatti/Wagon and that was destroyed by the reveal and controversy of adult/kid shipping. However I chose to ship so it's my fault that I was disappointed. At the same time, I'm not some weirdo who enjoys making illegal ships, I made a simple mistake and confused Tokatti for a genuine adult. Therefore, I'm technically innocent.
Zyuranger is a team of 65000000 year old adults, definitely not kids. I have the right to dig as deep as I want to. Izayoi Kyuemon isn't the first half human in Tokusatsu. There is also Takaoka Eiji and Kurenai Wataru. There's no such law against humans having relationships with Fangires and Ashu even though they're different species. So I don't see why anyone would call that disturbing if they're willing to accept the existence of mules and ligers.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Oct 12, 2017 9:35:26 GMT -5
At the same time, I'm not some weirdo who enjoys making illegal ships, I made a simple mistake and confused Tokatti for a genuine adult. Therefore, I'm technically innocent. Dude, nobody cares about this except you. Nobody ever thought of you as guilty for anything. You are worrying for nothing. I have the right to dig as deep as I want to. You do, but why look that deep into something if it ruins a show for you? You are choosing to ruin it for yourself. Izayoi Kyuemon isn't the first half human in Tokusatsu. There is also Takaoka Eiji and Kurenai Wataru. There's no such law against humans having relationships with Fangires and Ashu even though they're different species. So I don't see why anyone would call that disturbing if they're willing to accept the existence of mules and ligers. I think it's disturbing because I think the mixing of species is a weird thing to do. Especially humans and monsters.But that's not one of the reasons I don't like Ninninger, that's far from the reasons I don't like Ninninger. Because I don't think about stuff like that.
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Post by xman on Oct 23, 2017 12:46:05 GMT -5
Because it's a fun and actually emotional series at times. I enjoyed watching it all the way through and so far it's my favorite sentai. We've never had a sentai full of all children before and I'm sure that's not a random risk they'd want to take out of nowhere. We just now got another kid ranger in Kyuranger after so many years. So they had a compromise with the rangers being children but adults. I guess. But, I am not sure if we're even gonna get another train-themed Sentai series in the future. So, we'll have to wait and see. Still, It's good to know that I am probably among a few people that aren't really into considering Toqger as one of their favorite Sentai shows for other reasons besides the train-themed suits and the show's tone.
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