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Post by sixthrangerfan on Oct 11, 2018 18:19:55 GMT -5
Quantum Ranger still counts, and if you even use Sentai, Gai has been TimeFire for an all-red with all six, therefore its red. There are no shade differences so it's not crimson. It just has black instead of the white from TimeRed. Plus the Thunders aren't extras. They are a part of the main team, more so in Ninja Storm than in Hurricaneger.
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Post by fuferthought on Oct 12, 2018 18:42:40 GMT -5
I need to change my answers 5.TJ (Selwyn Ward... First Black leader of the Power Rangers!) 4.Andros (Great story and still he killed Zordon) 3.Eric Him and wes were a good combination 2.Leo (Great story, great acting) 1.Wes (Coming from the best series he held it down)
I took Jason off because after a lot of thinking, he just wasnt a good ranger. I know hes the OG Red Ranger but he show little to no growth. Ill give him credit because hes a true Martial artist but thats about it. No one from the orginal MMPR cast showed growth besides Billy and it took him to Zeo to show that.
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Post by redsurge on Oct 13, 2018 9:03:09 GMT -5
Actually, Eric is a sixth ranger, but is only wearing red because of the sentai series, Timeranger couldn't think of another color to give their sixth ranger. I don't think its that they ran out of color, so much as they thought the color worked for the outfit and was what they were going for. Also, Eric isn't crimson. Yeah, I guess that's how it can be seen. I always saw it that Crimson and Navy were just to show the Thunder Rangers as an opposite to the Wind Rangers, Hunter as their red and Blake as their blue. Also, they aren't extras, just the last two members of the core team who took a bit to come around. I don't think thats the only reason why he is Red. Yes, in show he is that's what he was, but we don't need to make excuses for why a character is Red. Red is a color, if the suit designers wanted to use Red or thought it worked with the suit design, they full well can, and there's no "only reason" for it, as though Red is a color that can only be worn within reason. Dude, you went on so many tangents I was unsure how to respond. Jayden didn't treat her like a bad person. He felt Lauren was mean't to be the leader and that if he stayed, the Rangers wouldn't be loyal to her, due to the bond they formed with him. However, Lauren wasn't as adjusted to fighting with them as Jayden was, so she couldn't work as well with the team. So when Lauren got hurt, she gave the team back to the leader who worked better with them, even if he was originally mean't as a decoy. Also, they used her in Shattered Grid bmecause people liked her character but she was underused so the comic writers took what liberty they had and used her to appeal to fans. Of course it was never gonna happen again, the Power Star was split in three along with its power. So Mick temporarily became Red. When the star was remade, it was no longer in thirds, so of course there'd only be one Red Ranger. Dude, I understand saying Dane has no meaning in Super Ninja Steel since he just disappears (people call James a bad father, at least he had a reason to be away). But Dane was one of the major driving points behind original Ninja Steel's story. He's only temporarily red for the same reasons as Mick. I don't really think this is the case. These secondary Reds aren't getting screwed by the popularity of primary Reds, the story just calls for them to appear less or be used differently. That and Sentai footage/budget of course. People still like other Reds.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 13, 2018 9:57:09 GMT -5
Jayden had very valid reasoning for leaving, but he also had ultimately unrealistic expectations for his teammates, expecting them to immediately sever their bonds of friendship with and loyalty to him the moment he was no longer with them and transfer said bonds to Lauren.
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Post by xman on Oct 13, 2018 13:42:59 GMT -5
Jayden had very valid reasoning for leaving, but he also had ultimately unrealistic expectations for his teammates, expecting them to immediately sever their bonds of friendship with and loyalty to him the moment he was no longer with them and transfer said bonds to Lauren. Wouldn't it have been better if he had just revealed that he really wasn't born into the Shiba family bloodline, but was merely adopted in the family lifestyle?! That way, we could actually draw some real tensions about Lauren being the real heir to the Shiba family household and Jayden would be an outsider since he was an orphaned child. Seriously, this whole dynamics between Jayden's departure and Lauren's presence would have been if he and Mentor Jii just revealed that he was not really born into the Shiba family bloodline, but was just an orphan being selected to act as a decoy while Lauren was sent off to undergo training. I could go on, but the fact that this show was horribly-rushed in its' production for six months as opposed to an entire year simply because Disney gave us that god-awful 2010 "re-vision" of MMPR season one and that the licensing rights to the franchise immediately went back to Saban Brands. It just made me questioned why Saban even bothered giving the rights to Disney in the first place. I mean, clearly, Disney didn't give a damn about Power Rangers or Digimon at all, so why couldn't the company have given the licensing rights to Power Rangers to Hasbro back in the early 2000's?
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 13, 2018 17:02:38 GMT -5
We know the deal with Disney is they only got Digimon and power Rangers as they where apart of the fox family package That Disney got which then became ABC family to then all the other changes in name. Then it was Doug who convinced Disney to keep show going with move to nz and so forth. And Disney decided to continue and as we saw they did care for the show for what up to spd I believe. Then oo to rpm they just did not care for it much any more. Moving it to jetix then ABC kids at god awful hours in most markets.
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Post by xman on Oct 14, 2018 0:33:08 GMT -5
Dude, you went on so many tangents I was unsure how to respond. Jayden didn't treat her like a bad person. He felt Lauren was meant to be the leader and that if he stayed, the Rangers wouldn't be loyal to her, due to the bond they formed with him. However, Lauren wasn't as adjusted to fighting with them as Jayden was, so she couldn't work as well with the team. So when Lauren got hurt, she gave the team back to the leader who worked better with them, even if he was originally mean't as a decoy. Also, they used her in Shattered Grid because people liked her character but she was underused. So the comic writers took what liberty they had and used her to appeal to fans. Okay, here are some things that I find wrong about the Jayden and Lauren thing in the final episodes of Super Samurai and why I believe it failed in terms of story-telling. And yes, it's probably nitpicking, but whatever. 1) Why couldn't they have just introduced Lauren's character as a recurring character in the very beginning of Samurai's regular season? If they had actually casted Kimberly Crossman to play Lauren as a recurring character in the first 20 episodes of Samurai with a proper build-up to her being a secondary red ranger-character in the final episodes of Super Samurai, then there would be a better advantage into at least establish that Lauren wasn't fit to lead the team since she is not the actual leader but is just a supporting character trying to be a Power Ranger. 2) Why are Jayden and Lauren siblings? Why not make Jayden an actual orphaned child from the streets and have him be adopted by Mentor Jii in secret?! and then you can have the drama of Lauren being the true head of the Shiba family clan, she is naturally born into the family bloodline. But, make Jayden's actions for leaving the team and the Shiba family house a bit more relateable and realistic for people who actually grew up or are growing up in foster care since not that many people knew who theor birth parents were. Draw actual parallels to how Jayden never actually had a real family until he met Kevin, Mia, Emily, Mike and Antonio and Lauren, who is just there because of her family inheritance, but unlike Jayden. She never got a chance to live a normal life outside of the whole Samurai Ranger lifestyle or have any real friends. But, she already had one parent in her life and barely has any memories of her father since he died in the last battle with Xandred. One kid who was born from nothing and had nothing, but is now trying to find and build a new family and a new life for himself outside of the whole ranger duties and another who is born of an ancient heritage and into a traditional family lifestyle, but would like to have what her counterpart had, which is friends, and people who would like her for just her. I mean, it would be a lot better if Jayden and Lauren weren't blood siblings, but just two total strangers living different lives. Then have them figure out what the next plan is and who should really lead the team. 3) How come the other rangers and Mentor Jii didn't bothered to just preventing Jayden from actually leaving the Shiba House and act as back-up in case if Lauren didn't succeed in sealing Xandred? Couldn't they have just used their symbol powers to create a barrier preventing Jayden to leaving or just lock the gates? I mean, it would've been totally different from how it was handled in the sentai, but at least we could've seen some actual effort coming from Jii and the other Samurai rangers trying to keep their leader around the damn house and have him give the orders to protect Lauren. Then you would've had Deker figure out where the Shiba House is and attack it from the inside and threaten to kill everyone if Jayden doesn't count out and face him for a final confrontation. And finally, did the writers of the show even bothered to try and put in any form of thought or effort into the whole Jayden worshipping from everyone in the execution, or is this another one of Jonathan Tzachor's utter laziness and lack of originality in Samurai and Super Samurai because he wants everything to be like the sentai, note-for-note and the writers had to suffer for dealing with a bad show-runner and executive producer at the time.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 14, 2018 6:10:18 GMT -5
Just look at at bates interviews we know they didn't even try due to jt wanting to pretty much copy and paste sentai scripts which made no sense half the time. Hell only folks who had original writing was bulk and spike and they hardly ever interacted with rest of the cast.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 14, 2018 9:26:47 GMT -5
"Copy and paste" debates aside, having Lauren around for most of the season defeats the purpose of her story and character and Jayden's story. It might have been better, from a character standpoint, for her to have returned an episode or two earlier and fought with the team for a battle or two, but, within the standards and constraints of Power Rangers storytelling, what we got with her was fine.
This is veering slightly off-topic, though, so, to steer it back on-topic, I'd like to share my list of top Underrated Red Rangers: 1. Mack 2. Rocky 3. Nick 4. Casey 5. Cole
Honorable Mentions: Leo Troy
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 14, 2018 10:48:39 GMT -5
They should have build her up more. Even if we didn't see her before her debut. Teasing her and her character probably would have helped her character out more.
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Post by redsurge on Oct 14, 2018 15:02:24 GMT -5
Okay, here are some things that I find wrong about the Jayden and Lauren thing in the final episodes of Super Samurai and why I believe it failed in terms of story-telling. And yes, it's probably nitpicking, but whatever. 1) Why couldn't they have just introduced Lauren's character as a recurring character in the very beginning of Samurai's regular season? If they had actually casted Kimberly Crossman to play Lauren as a recurring character in the first 20 episodes of Samurai with a proper build-up to her being a secondary red ranger-character in the final episodes of Super Samurai, then there would be a better advantage into at least establish that Lauren wasn't fit to lead the team since she is not the actual leader but is just a supporting character trying to be a Power Ranger. Dude, the whole point is that Lauren was hidden away so she could perfect the Sealing Symbol without Nighlock interference. They wanted her to prepare for her destiny and return when the time was right and thus, she couldn't reveal herself beforehand or else she'd become the Nighlock's target. Jayden offered himself as a decoy so this would not occur. Its the whole point. If they weren't related and he was a random kid of the streets, Jayden's motivations for keeping his sister safe wouldn't be strong because they would've never met and the Shiba clan would be taking in a random kid and forcing him to play a role (aka putting the innocent in harm's way) rather than having the actually kinda emotional (acting aside) story of a brother putting himself on the line so his sister can live to achieve what she's born to. Your story idea is kinda just overcomplicated, and has the Shiba Clan putting a random kid in a dangerous position rather than him actually choosing to which makes way more sense They tried a tiny bit, but as for forcing him to stay, that wouldn't be like them. Sure, they cared for Jayden but at the end of the day, forcing someone to do something wouldn't be right. They didn't want Jayden to leave, but he thought it'd be better and forcing his hand would be such a terrible thing to do. They can't make him stay just because they want him to. And see, while JT made bad choices, the way Jayden felt he needed a new purpose and then gave in to Deker's challenge when they met is actually fine. Many Power Rangers fans act like they can write a better story, but just saying "Deker somehow finds the Shiba house" is way more uncreative and just saying "this somehow happens" is a common thing for PR fans describing their "what should've been" ideas. Like, Jayden and him meet and fight. That's fine. Having him "somehow learn where the Shiba house" would be random and worth complaining over.
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Post by xman on Oct 21, 2018 4:27:41 GMT -5
Okay, here are some things that I find wrong about the Jayden and Lauren thing in the final episodes of Super Samurai and why I believe it failed in terms of story-telling. And yes, it's probably nitpicking, but whatever. 1) Why couldn't they have just introduced Lauren's character as a recurring character in the very beginning of Samurai's regular season? If they had actually casted Kimberly Crossman to play Lauren as a recurring character in the first 20 episodes of Samurai with a proper build-up to her being a secondary red ranger-character in the final episodes of Super Samurai, then there would be a better advantage into at least establish that Lauren wasn't fit to lead the team since she is not the actual leader but is just a supporting character trying to be a Power Ranger. Dude, the whole point is that Lauren was hidden away so she could perfect the Sealing Symbol without Nighlock interference. They wanted her to prepare for her destiny and return when the time was right and thus, she couldn't reveal herself beforehand or else she'd become the Nighlock's target. Jayden offered himself as a decoy so this would not occur. Its the whole point. If they weren't related and he was a random kid of the streets, Jayden's motivations for keeping his sister safe wouldn't be strong because they would've never met and the Shiba clan would be taking in a random kid and forcing him to play a role (aka putting the innocent in harm's way) rather than having the actually kinda emotional (acting aside) story of a brother putting himself on the line so his sister can live to achieve what she's born to. Your story idea is kinda just overcomplicated, and has the Shiba Clan putting a random kid in a dangerous position rather than him actually choosing to which makes way more sense They tried a tiny bit, but as for forcing him to stay, that wouldn't be like them. Sure, they cared for Jayden but at the end of the day, forcing someone to do something wouldn't be right. They didn't want Jayden to leave, but he thought it'd be better and forcing his hand would be such a terrible thing to do. They can't make him stay just because they want him to. 1) Lauren already mastered the sealing spell before she even arrived at the Shiba House. So, is there any particular reason why we never got a midquel/spin-off series dedicated to Lauren's intensive training days and how she would prepare herself to report for active ranger duty?! 2) If it's overly-complicated to explain why Jayden and Lauren aren't really blood-related, then why aren't we or the writers of the show actually doing any research on real-life Samurai clans adopting children into their family lifestyles?! I mean, there are possibly some historical reports about it, so it's not really that hard to do even we had the time or patience to do it?! Or better yet, how about the show explained how Jayden and Lauren's ancestor was either adopted or was married into the Shiba family?! That way, we could actually buy that the main red ranger-characters are one-third instead of this whole ethnic-cleansing bullcrap excuse that the producers were going for at the time by having four of the non-Asian characters pretend like they're from Japanese ancestry when there is no actual explanation behind the characters native roots or where their respective family trees actually began. 3) Well, obviously they weren't even trying harder to get him to stay in the damn house because it looked like they weren't even giving Jayden any other choice but to leave for no apparent reason. And for all this bullcrap about Jayden giving the rangers a choice in the first part of "Origins" before they claimed their morphers, it makes this situation and him feel like a hypocrite when you think about it. Also, realisticly-speaking, what the hell was Jayden supposed to be doing now that he left the Shiba House and everyong else behind to look after Lauren?! What he supposed to be visiting other family members or go find a job or live out on the streets like a bum scraping for food and asking for money?! I mean, I understand that in Shinkenger, yes. Takeru left. But, that actually made more sense there than it did in this ungrateful adaptation because he knew for a fact that he was different from everyone else and that he was secretly hiding something from everybody. However, he didn't want everyone else to give their lives to a false leader, and that is why Takeru was so distant from everyone and why his character-development is so important. But with Jayden?! Do you really think this whole fake drama about him doing something bad or keeping a deep dark was going to amount to anything like it was going to be "oh so" serious in the future?! No. You knew for a fact that it was never that big of a deal to begin with. So, why the hell did the writers even bothered to make it all suspenful anyways?! I mean, at least with Operation Overdrive, they actually made Mack's story a bit more interesting because before the revalation, we didn't know what was so different about him. Sure, they could have done better, but at least the writers and producers put in more thought and effort into that story than there is in the entire series of Samurai and Super Samurai.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 21, 2018 7:06:15 GMT -5
Well that was the problem with samurai writing they didn't put much effort or craft a logical story since the scripts was just copy paste from the sentai with little change.samurai would have been a good series to have a few rangers be Asian besides just pink.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 21, 2018 12:09:29 GMT -5
People really need to stop with the "Jayden and Lauren can't have Japanese ancestry because they're not Asian" thing; it's extremely racist (ignorantly so in most instances, admittedly), dismissive, and demeaning.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 21, 2018 13:39:45 GMT -5
For me it wasn't cause they where white. Sure they could have Asian in back story. But this would have been a great time to finally have a Asian actor been red ranger.
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