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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Jan 24, 2018 1:14:36 GMT -5
Kyuranger episode 45: This episode kinda fell flat for me, aside from the action, which is the only thing this show can do consistently well.
The Good: I liked the action, especially Champ, Stinger, and Kotaro's fight with Prof. Anton. I liked the idea of the scene where everyone talked about what they want to do when they save the universe.
The Bad: My biggest negative about this episode is Don Armage a.k.a. Kuervo. So many of the characters in this show are so underdeveloped that I kept saying that I care about him more than I care about most of the Kyurangers, even though we only saw him in flashbacks. I already didn't care for the reveal that Kuervo was Don Armage, but after getting the details, I hate it. I understand he looked up to Tsurugi, but he had that much resentment against him, because of how strong he was? In all of the flashbacks, we saw nothing but the most likable, loyal friend. This feels like it came out of nowhere. If they wanted to do this twist, it would have made more sense if Kuervo's resentment was set up in those flashbacks. He let Don Armage take over his body, and now has this crazy plan to to destroy the universe? It just feels absurd to me.
As for the Champ, Stinger and Kotaro fight, everything about Prof. Anton fell flat. I feel like his death would have had more impact if it happened in a Champ-focus episode. I thought the reveal of the split personality was stupid before, but everything we've seen on him since just makes me feel like this guy is lame. He went along with Don Armage's plan so that he can be remembered as a great scientist, even though there will be no one to remember him? He really is an idiot.
Another problem I had was that scene where everyone talked about what they want to do when they save the universe. I should love this scene, but I don't for 2 reasons. One, because it would have felt more hopeful and optimistic if the stakes felt more dire, and this show is very rarely good at that, and two, because I don't care about most of the characters. This scene feels completely unearned. Even when it comes to what the characters want, they're either obvious because they deal with that character's one trait, or it comes out of nowhere, like Hammy wanting to be a teacher. This whole scene illustrates one of the major problems with Kyuranger: the lack of character development, character investment, or even character conceptualization.
Next episode: It looks like a potentially emotional episode. At the very least, I appreciate that they played an instrumental of Houou Soldier's theme.
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Post by cd on Jan 24, 2018 7:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by xman on Jan 24, 2018 23:10:31 GMT -5
I am really disappointed in Lucky's character in episode 46, right now. He should've just listened to Tsurugi's word and honor his last wish to kill him before Don Armage took over his body. If he had done that...the commander would still be alive and we would have already gotten an original finale of this show instead of just ripping off the finale of Abaranger and Abare Killer's demise.
Now I know that is going to be so very little originality in these final episodes of Kyuuranger. I mean, Kyoryuger had an original finale, Go-Busters had an original finale, Zyuohger...original finale, etc. But this one?! I don't think there's going to be anything left in this arc that will feel like it's an original idea.
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Post by neoaguni on Jan 24, 2018 23:55:16 GMT -5
^^only Lucky's life? I thought that Lucky's plan put all of them at risk
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Jan 25, 2018 0:57:56 GMT -5
^^Would someone mind recalling the last time a villain took over a rangers body for total immortality before erasing the universe? I mean it seems like such a common finale.
Man, I was really hoping the zyuoh vs would come out earlier. I know, there's issues with Tusk. However, I really wanted to settle the 6th debate for this season. Micchy would have helped give us an answer.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Jan 25, 2018 4:47:48 GMT -5
I don't think it has anything to do with that. Vs Movies are usually announced in October and film before then, whereas Tsurugi Watanabe's accident was in early November - so by that time, Toei would have already made the decision that there wouldn't be a theatrical Vs in January.
Now we know that the Kyuranger V-Cinema involves the Space Sheriffs, there is no guarantee there will ever be a Vs Zyuohger. (The Zyuohger cast was probably contracted for one but paying them off would probably be cheaper than the cost of a movie that doesn't perform well)
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Jan 25, 2018 8:32:23 GMT -5
I thought it was said they will be a vs just set after series.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Jan 25, 2018 9:57:53 GMT -5
^ The V-Cinema they're shooting now will (by all appearances) involve the Space Sheriffs. Shirakura (Toei producer) said on Twitter that there was no theatrical Vs this year because "we're doing the Vs on TV" - that could just mean that the concept of opposing teams is being done with Lupinranger Vs Patoranger, not that there will actually be a Kyuranger Vs Zyuohger on TV
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Post by Rheannan on Jan 27, 2018 6:43:23 GMT -5
In all of the flashbacks, we saw nothing but the most likable, loyal friend. This feels like it came out of nowhere. If they wanted to do this twist, it would have made more sense if Kuervo's resentment was set up in those flashbacks. He let Don Armage take over his body, and now has this crazy plan to to destroy the universe? It just feels absurd to me. It's ambiguous though. It's Don Armage possessing a character and then 'being' that character, but then he seems to switch so that the character comes through. If they're trying to make it look as if the character combines with Don Armage, then that wouldn't make sense with the way it's portrayed (and wouldn't make sense in general anyway). Cuervo could also have been influenced by Don Armage. |
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Post by Gokai Gaburincho on Jan 27, 2018 16:41:42 GMT -5
Kyuranger episode 46: I think this episode is stupid. I once said that whether I deem this show mediocre or bad was gonna determine solely on how this final arc plays out, and I honestly thought this show would pull it off, but so far, this Kuervo/Don Armage reveal is bringing this show down.
The Good: The action; it's the only thing this show does consistently well. I also liked this exchange between Stinger and Naga: "You're skilled with more than a spear?" "Scorpius system warriors are skilled with all weapons!" I love dialogue like this because it shows what this show could be. Banter like this can go a long way to adding personality to characters when you have to balance between this many characters, and if the show was chockful of dialogue like this, especially between all the characters, this could have been a fun show, and this show would have balanced between the characters better.
The Bad: The entire main story of the episode. I almost don't even know where to start. How about this line: "I never once considered Tsurugi a friend." Really now? We've never gotten even a hint of resentment from Kuervo in those flashbacks, and now he says that they were never friends? If they wanted to do this twist where Don Armage turned out to be this character that we were supposed to care about, the whole point of the twist is that it adds layers to his character, and we find Kuervo compelling, and that we see that he has a point, but that line just "generic-ifies" his character, and now he's just one note. He sacrificed his life for his own benefit? Did Kuervo know that Don Armage was gonna take over his body? Even if he knew that, why would he expect Don Armage would even let him have his free will? Unless we was willing to sacrifice his free will for power just to spite Tsurugi, in which case, that would make him even more unlikable.
Then we get to that ending. That ending was bad on so many levels. To start off, everything I said about Kuervo is under the assumption that Kuervo has his free will, because that is what the show is communicating to me. If Kuervo was under some kind of mind control, then when the rangers do their final attack, and we see normal-looking Kuervo, then he should have been the Kuervo we saw in the flashbacks, because that's how storytelling works: it's communication. However, he still tries to attack Tsurugi, saying that the universe belongs to him. That tells me that this is the real Kuervo, and that that's how he really felt. Okay, then how come when Don Armage takes over Tsurugi's body, it's Don Armage, even though he's still saying "legend"? Tsurugi definitely has no free will now. Maybe you can argue that Don Armage always had the power to get rid of people's free will when he takes them over, but if so, why did Kuervo really have to resent Tsurugi, because that did nothing to benefit the story. In fact, it was to the show's detriment. Tsurugi still considers Kuervo a friend? No! You don't get to do that, Kyuranger. Kuervo took over the universe, of his own free will, and he tricked you, and he apparently never even liked you in the first place. You don't owe him any forgiveness or friendship. For Kuervo to do all of the terrible things he's done, and then you forgive him for that, even when he shows no remorse, that's just sending a terrible message. That is Micchy levels of bad.
But wait, there's more: Tsurugi's sacrifice. Lucky, I like you, for the most part, and you're a far cry from how you were in the beginning arc, but here, you are an idiot. How in the world is what Tsurugi did "giving up on life" or "abandoning his friends"? What he did was noble. He did what he thought would be the right thing to do to save not just the world, but the universe. How could you not honor his wish? I know it was a hard choice, but he's thinking about the good of the universe. You're not. How is what he's doing any different than what you yourself tried to do just 3 episodes ago, or what Xiao just did just now? (On that, I know he's coming back. This show doesn't have the balls to keep him dead) Because it's not you, it's not okay for people to sacrifice their lives to save the universe? I know you want to save your friends, but if they want to make that choice, you should honor their decision, instead of risking the fate of the universe and every living being over your flawed line of thinking.
As for Lucky's dream sequence, it was just flat out a waste of time. We learned nothing new. We know he's not gonna give up. He preaches about it every episode, and seeing everyone act so melancholy is just...weird.
Next episode: It looks very action heavy, which is to be suspected as we wind down towards the finale. I wonder how they screw this episode up?
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Post by Krypton1986 on Jan 27, 2018 16:58:31 GMT -5
With Episode 46, although not surprising, my gut feeling told me that at least one of the 12 Rangers was guaranteed to be killed.
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Post by cd on Jan 29, 2018 7:45:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 9:12:10 GMT -5
Cool scans!
it's what Don Armage's final form look like!
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Post by neoaguni on Jan 29, 2018 21:25:39 GMT -5
Can someone please explain to me why Hammy is mad at Lucky in the beginning of the episode?
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Jan 29, 2018 23:09:57 GMT -5
She took it as though Lucky implied they weren't strong enough to keep fighting so he gave them an out. She think he shouldn't even have to ask if they want to fight with him.
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