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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Jan 15, 2018 9:04:54 GMT -5
While still still don't mind Hammie, it's easy to tell that the writers put next to no effort with her character. She's a ninja, who was inspired by a singer, and wants to be a teacher. I mean, at least everyone else's plans for a peaceful universe matched their development. Female characters tend to be written with the view that they are "female" first (i.e. a stereotype of what a woman is, does and likes) and characters second. Therefore if they aren't the main character or there's not time to flesh them out much, they tend to default to that stereotype. Hammie is a woman, therefore she exhibits "girl" behaviour ("cute", emotionally supportive), likes "girl" things (idol singers) and aspires to a "girl" ambition (being a teacher.) The show is not interested in taking her much further so that's what she's going to boil down to. |
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Post by neoaguni on Jan 15, 2018 11:04:33 GMT -5
Seriously does anyone know why the preview for next week's episode shows Lucky being ganged up on by the other Kyurangers
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Post by spacegalaxy on Jan 15, 2018 16:11:18 GMT -5
While still still don't mind Hammie, it's easy to tell that the writers put next to no effort with her character. She's a ninja, who was inspired by a singer, and wants to be a teacher. I mean, at least everyone else's plans for a peaceful universe matched their development. Female characters tend to be written with the view that they are "female" first (i.e. a stereotype of what a woman is, does and likes) and characters second. Therefore if they aren't the main character or there's not time to flesh them out much, they tend to default to that stereotype. Hammie is a woman, therefore she exhibits "girl" behaviour ("cute", emotionally supportive), likes "girl" things (idol singers) and aspires to a "girl" ambition (being a teacher.) The show is not interested in taking her much further so that's what she's going to boil down to. And what's wrong with that. |
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Jan 15, 2018 16:22:33 GMT -5
^ It's really insulting to think that an entire group of people (half the population, in fact) can be summed up by a narrow range of stock traits. And although pretty standard for Sentai, it is disappointing for those who prefer more rounded characters - like how Garu always defaults to "Lucky's loyal dog" etc
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Post by spacegalaxy on Jan 15, 2018 16:42:31 GMT -5
^Well that's the unfortunate problem with Sentai, where the characters don't really grow from the show, not like it is from Kamen Rider and why I prefer that to Sentai. It reminded me of Zyuohger in a sense that the characters don't exactly change that much. There was that story were Sela wanted to fight Leo and I thought that was setting up an arc in the series, instead it was relegated to a V-Cinema. It's because Sentai targets mostly kids than KR appealing to a general audience so the story and characters reflect that.
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Post by Krypton1986 on Jan 15, 2018 17:52:47 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to seeing the final three Kyuranger episodes.
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Post by xman on Jan 15, 2018 21:57:19 GMT -5
It was a Sailor Moon parody. And I can think of far worse Sentai heroines - the Magiranger girls for instance, at least Hammie doesn't teach girls they should be perfect housewives or that acting stupid is "cute" I honestly prefer more character-focused episodes dedicated to her and Raptor 283 (Washi Pink) since I felt that they both got the biggest shafts in character-development and I would have gotten to like them more, if the entire show hadn't wasted its' time trying to shove the damn forced bromance between Stinger and Champ down our throats. I mean, seriously. Who cares about Stinger and Champ when we should've gotten a v-cinema spin-off dedicated to Raptor and Hammie, instead. Or what about Naaga and Balance?! Where's there movie spin-off or Tsurugi?! We only have one more episode to go before it's time for him to die and yet, none of us barely even got a chance to know more about him as a personal character. Including myself. So, I am sorry. But I don't think that I am gonna feel anything for him once he kicks the bucket in the next episode. These are the characters that I would rather have the show focus more on than just f@#$'n Stinger and Champ 24/7. This is not "Tommy Oliver Show featuring the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Part II". This is not "The Adventures of Right Suzuki and Friends". This is f@#$'n Space Sentai Kyuuranger!! We need to give everybody in the show an equal focused story. Not just one or two characters only, Toei! GET IT TOGETHER!!! |
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Jan 16, 2018 2:42:54 GMT -5
While still still don't mind Hammie, it's easy to tell that the writers put next to no effort with her character. She's a ninja, who was inspired by a singer, and wants to be a teacher. I mean, at least everyone else's plans for a peaceful universe matched their development. Female characters tend to be written with the view that they are "female" first (i.e. a stereotype of what a woman is, does and likes) and characters second. Therefore if they aren't the main character or there's not time to flesh them out much, they tend to default to that stereotype. Hammie is a woman, therefore she exhibits "girl" behaviour ("cute", emotionally supportive), likes "girl" things (idol singers) and aspires to a "girl" ambition (being a teacher.) The show is not interested in taking her much further so that's what she's going to boil down to. Female had nothing to do with my statement. I said that more because her wanting to become a teacher came out of nowhere. You don't have to keep bringing up non existent sexism every time it seems implied. Everyone else's goal fit what the basis of their character. Lucky is going back to his original plan of seeing the edge of the universe. Shou wants to be higher up in the resistance, which fits with his current ranking. It was simple but Spada wants to be the greatest chef. Raptor wants a romance, which fit with some of her funniest moments this season. Champ's going back to wrestling, which seems to make him happiest, especially regaining his title. Stinger's only known fighting, which could fit his loner style. Balance is going back to treasure hunting. Naga wants his home to see emotions aren't a bad thing. Garu's is also simple, but he's loyal to Lucky so why not follow him. Kotaro wants to be like the hero they found on Earth, Tsurugi, and plans to have the same title. Hammie wants to be a teacher, so she can help kids. But she barely had any interaction with kids, in fact even Kotaro didn't like her at first. Plus Raptor has been an okay character. Yeah she's been sidelined but her position has actually fit that. She did what she could for the Orion and her dreams matched up with romantic side. Truth be told, the ones who got sidelined the most were the ones who could make the Orion ship work. Balance and Naga helped with maintenance a lot in the starting episodes. Shou as Commander sticks with Raptor in order to still give mission specs among other things. I just felt the after goal was a bit out of nowhere for Hammie's character. If Garu said, "I'm gonna lead my tribe back home in honor of my brother" I would've been like, what?! |
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Jan 16, 2018 8:44:14 GMT -5
Female had nothing to do with my statement. I said that more because her wanting to become a teacher came out of nowhere. You don't have to keep bringing up non existent sexism every time it seems implied. Everyone else's goal fit what the basis of their character. Lucky is going back to his original plan of seeing the edge of the universe. Shou wants to be higher up in the resistance, which fits with his current ranking. It was simple but Spada wants to be the greatest chef. Raptor wants a romance, which fit with some of her funniest moments this season. Champ's going back to wrestling, which seems to make him happiest, especially regaining his title. Stinger's only known fighting, which could fit his loner style. Balance is going back to treasure hunting. Naga wants his home to see emotions aren't a bad thing. Garu's is also simple, but he's loyal to Lucky so why not follow him. Kotaro wants to be like the hero they found on Earth, Tsurugi, and plans to have the same title. Hammie wants to be a teacher, so she can help kids. But she barely had any interaction with kids, in fact even Kotaro didn't like her at first. Plus Raptor has been an okay character. Yeah she's been sidelined but her position has actually fit that. She did what she could for the Orion and her dreams matched up with romantic side. Truth be told, the ones who got sidelined the most were the ones who could make the Orion ship work. Balance and Naga helped with maintenance a lot in the starting episodes. Shou as Commander sticks with Raptor in order to still give mission specs among other things. I just felt the after goal was a bit out of nowhere for Hammie's character. If Garu said, "I'm gonna lead my tribe back home in honor of my brother" I would've been like, what?! It's not "non-existent sexism" and, yes, it's relevant. Hammie hasn't been developed enough that there's any obvious route to go with her, so they just gave her a stereotypical ambition for a young girl. Taking your example, it would be like Koutarou saying he wants to be a racing driver or something. It hasn't been built up, but since that's a stereotypical ambition for young boys, they expect the audience to think it makes sense. On a related note, while I roll my eyes at Raptor wanting "a romance" at the very least it fits with what's established about her character and for that reason this is one of the rare occasions where I wouldn't have minded a female character wanting to be an idol singer; it might follow that Hammie would want to inspire people like Hoshi Minato. But she seems to have decided that's his job, which is fair enough |
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Post by spacegalaxy on Jan 16, 2018 15:52:31 GMT -5
Female characters tend to be written with the view that they are "female" first (i.e. a stereotype of what a woman is, does and likes) and characters second. Therefore if they aren't the main character or there's not time to flesh them out much, they tend to default to that stereotype. Hammie is a woman, therefore she exhibits "girl" behaviour ("cute", emotionally supportive), likes "girl" things (idol singers) and aspires to a "girl" ambition (being a teacher.) The show is not interested in taking her much further so that's what she's going to boil down to. Female had nothing to do with my statement. I said that more because her wanting to become a teacher came out of nowhere. You don't have to keep bringing up non existent sexism every time it seems implied. Everyone else's goal fit what the basis of their character. Lucky is going back to his original plan of seeing the edge of the universe. Shou wants to be higher up in the resistance, which fits with his current ranking. It was simple but Spada wants to be the greatest chef. Raptor wants a romance, which fit with some of her funniest moments this season. Champ's going back to wrestling, which seems to make him happiest, especially regaining his title. Stinger's only known fighting, which could fit his loner style. Balance is going back to treasure hunting. Naga wants his home to see emotions aren't a bad thing. Garu's is also simple, but he's loyal to Lucky so why not follow him. Kotaro wants to be like the hero they found on Earth, Tsurugi, and plans to have the same title. Hammie wants to be a teacher, so she can help kids. But she barely had any interaction with kids, in fact even Kotaro didn't like her at first. Plus Raptor has been an okay character. Yeah she's been sidelined but her position has actually fit that. She did what she could for the Orion and her dreams matched up with romantic side. Truth be told, the ones who got sidelined the most were the ones who could make the Orion ship work. Balance and Naga helped with maintenance a lot in the starting episodes. Shou as Commander sticks with Raptor in order to still give mission specs among other things. I just felt the after goal was a bit out of nowhere for Hammie's character. If Garu said, "I'm gonna lead my tribe back home in honor of my brother" I would've been like, what?! That's a good look back. Kotaro didn't like Hammie at first, even calling her "old", so I don't know where the whole teacher thing fits in. It would've been better if say, she wanted to be an idol like Minato and be like him in spreading joy through music, because it showed that she had an interest in it. |
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Jan 16, 2018 16:49:52 GMT -5
^ Well, just because Koutarou didn't like her doesn't mean no children would (and having a kid call a young woman/teenage girl "old lady" is a stock joke in Japan)
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Post by xman on Jan 17, 2018 12:35:14 GMT -5
I gotta ask. Does Toei actually hate its' main female protagonists in this show? I mean, look at Poppy Pipopappo (God, that is a ridiculously long-ass name!) and Nico from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid. They didn't want to portray the stereotypical roles of wanting to be a kindergarten teacher or a cook, or to be an idol singer, or a housewife, etc. Poppy wants to bring back everybody's smiles and play Doremifa Beat together with her friends and Nico wants to work as a nurse with Taiga at the end of the show. Hell, even Akari from Kamen Rider Ghost had a better career goal than any of the more recent sentai heroines, including Hammie and Raptor. She wants to be an inspired scientist and a genius, and she is doing that right now working with Igor according to the events of the Kamen Rider Specter movie. Kiriko from Drive is already working as a police officer and is happily married with Shinnosuke at the end of their show.
Even Jasmine and Umeko from Dekaranger already found happiness for themselves and they're still working a space police officers. Jasmine is married to Hikaru and they have a son, Umeko is engaged to Sen and they are still working as the Space Police Earth Branch. But Hammie and Raptor?! They got nothing. They are being screwed in the character-development department.
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Post by neoaguni on Jan 17, 2018 18:31:08 GMT -5
Stop the video at :06 seconds I see Shou, Naga, Spada, Balance, Garu and Raptor all trying to restrain Lucky. Does anyone know why they are doing that? If they are trying to keep Lucky from doing something stupid why is Hammy just standing there watching?
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Post by xman on Jan 17, 2018 19:44:34 GMT -5
It has something to do with Tsurugi's final decision on how he will be confronting Don Armage, even if it means sacrificing his life so that the others can life to honor his memory. But, I think it's too soon for you to judge, neoaguni. I mean the episode isn't even out yet. You gotta wait for it to be completely subbed, then you can understand what's going on in the episode.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Jan 18, 2018 7:14:19 GMT -5
Stop the video at :06 seconds I see Shou, Naga, Spada, Balance, Garu and Raptor all trying to restrain Lucky. Does anyone know why they are doing that? If they are trying to keep Lucky from doing something stupid why is Hammy just standing there watching? Why aren't Stinger, Champ or Koutarou doing anything? Although I'd be surprised if any of them could reach Lucky since he is completely surrounded on all sides I gotta ask. Does Toei actually hate its' main female protagonists in this show? I mean, look at Poppy Pipopappo (God, that is a ridiculously long-ass name!) and Nico from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid. They didn't want to portray the stereotypical roles of wanting to be a kindergarten teacher or a cook, or to be an idol singer, or a housewife, etc. Poppy wants to bring back everybody's smiles and play Doremifa Beat together with her friends and Nico wants to work as a nurse with Taiga at the end of the show. Hell, even Akari from Kamen Rider Ghost had a better career goal than any of the more recent sentai heroines, including Hammie and Raptor. She wants to be an inspired scientist and a genius, and she is doing that right now working with Igor according to the events of the Kamen Rider Specter movie. Kiriko from Drive is already working as a police officer and is happily married with Shinnosuke at the end of their show. Even Jasmine and Umeko from Dekaranger already found happiness for themselves and they're still working a space police officers. Jasmine is married to Hikaru and they have a son, Umeko is engaged to Sen and they are still working as the Space Police Earth Branch. But Hammie and Raptor?! They got nothing. They are being screwed in the character-development department. Kiriko quit her job to be a housewife (Mach vs Heart) and so did Jasmine in "10 Years Later", which is the epitome of the stereotype you're talking about. (I haven't seen Space Squad though so maybe she went back after that?) At least Raptor is a pilot and Hammie has some kind of ambition; Zyuohger for instance never gave either of the female Rangers any goals or career plans. Sela wanted to beat Leo but that was more to do with their rivalry and not going to lead to anything for her future. And why are you pointing out one moment that being a housewife is a stereotypical ambition, but then talking about the characters' marriages/babies like it's an achievement? By that measure, Raptor's desire for a romance would count as her doing something. |
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