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Post by xman on Sept 8, 2018 14:01:17 GMT -5
I saw this topic being posted on Rangerboard and I think this might be an interesting topic to discuss about.... www.rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=178915What do you guys thunk, is the fight choreography of the Neo-Saban era lacking or not? |
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Post by Venusaur on Sept 8, 2018 15:15:59 GMT -5
The American fight choreography has been awful since around SPD with the stupid Koichi explosions and its retroactive nostalgia for the Disney seasons that have made people blind to just how embarassing the original fight scenes got in the Disney era. Jungle Fury being the exception.
RPM’s action scenes would have been passable if some dip twit didn’t think shaky cam was a good idea
The Saban Brands era did little to improve it but honestly I found it better than a good number of Disney seasons
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 8, 2018 17:59:35 GMT -5
For me I don't think neo Saban fights was that bad. The issue for neo Saban was the dam constant fight talk which didn't need to be. Which I hope hasbro doesn't do. All I want is a good mix of sentai footage and original footage that is both morph and unmorphed.
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Post by redsurge on Sept 9, 2018 5:25:25 GMT -5
I don't think its bad by any means. I definitely don't notice anything awful. I just wish (Super) Ninja Steel had more (or any) Unmorphed fights.
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Post by xman on Sept 9, 2018 19:34:16 GMT -5
I don't think it's bad by any means. I definitely don't notice anything awful. I just wish (Super) Ninja Steel had more (or any) Unmorphed fights. Yeah, that is true. As much as I actually liked Super Ninja Steel for what it is right now, I still wished that it had more or at least any unmorphed fight scenes. |
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Post by redsurge on Sept 9, 2018 21:26:57 GMT -5
I've said this many times before, the Ninja Steel Rangers are more modern day Ninja (though fiction has given the Ninja term a lot of different and weird meanings from what it originally was) and have high school to deal with, so I can understand them not living in a dojo (which I was actually getting tired of seeing in PR) and us focusing less on training (though it does still appear and they obviously do offscreen). The one thing I don't like is we rarely, if ever, get to see them fight unmorphed, and how they'd fair. That's what really gets to me.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 10, 2018 4:11:54 GMT -5
I too hate when we have to little unmorphed fights. But bts reasons can usually stem from either the actors have little fight training, insurance reasons for actors not to get hurt and delay filming. Or could be there stunt person looks nothing like them.
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Post by fuferthought on Sept 10, 2018 14:25:22 GMT -5
Super Ninja steel has had some dope fight scenes. Like yall I with they had more unmorphed fights or at least wear the black ninja suits for the bots. Just this past episode they were morphed and were struggling against the bots. Thats crazy. With todays social media outlets Rangers should be able to show off their talents and bring them to the rangers series. Prime example, Sarah can shoot the hell out a gun and shes a fitness trainer (check her instagram, you wont be disappointed) These type of talents can bring more fans into the ranger universe just by promoting on social media. The fight scenes arent lacking, its just not bringing out the Rangers full potential.
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Post by redsurge on Sept 10, 2018 20:29:21 GMT -5
Truly I agree with you. The fights are dope, just not the best they can be.
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Post by xman on Sept 10, 2018 22:34:07 GMT -5
Did I neglected to mentioned that Steve McQuillan was a co-stunt coordinator with the current Neo-Saban era action coordinator, Mark Harris during the Disney-era years? Here are there IMDB pages.... -Steve McQuillan& -Mark Harris |
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Post by jg13145 on Sept 20, 2018 23:48:08 GMT -5
If by lacking you mean we don't have enough civilians fights, then yeah we don't have enough of those. However, we've been told constantly that the low number of civilian fights has to do with production not wanting to do so many and because they don't want the actors to get hurt so I just accept that aspect.
As for morphed fights, I liked the Kalishplosions (or whatever we call them now) from the Disney era. I thought they looked cool as a kid. Today, as stated by others, it's too much talking at points. The bgm has improved incredibly during SNS but I want something else than the newest remixes of GGPR.
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Post by xman on Sept 21, 2018 8:18:06 GMT -5
If by lacking you mean we don't have enough civilians fights, then yeah we don't have enough of those. However, we've been told constantly that the low number of civilian fights has to do with production not wanting to do so many and because they don't want the actors to get hurt so I just accept that aspect. Well, yeah. I mean, it is obvious that many of us were talking about the lack of unmorphed fight scenes in the Neo-Saban era of Power Rangers. But, I guess it's understandable that we won't get to see more of the Ninja Steel rangers doing any real ninja training or sparring on-screen or why we can't show more of them fighting the Kudo Bots and Basher Bots outside of their ranger suits. sigh! Oh well... As for morphed fights, I liked the Kalishplosions (or whatever we call them now) from the Disney era. I thought they looked cool as a kid. Today, as stated by others, it's too much talking at points. The bgm has improved incredibly during SNS but I want something else than the newest remixes of GGPR. They are in fact called, "Kalishplosions", but it's not a recent word that many fans have been using lately. Many fans have been using the word since 2005 back when Power Rangers SPD was still on its' TV run. But, the only downside about Kalishplosions is that when you see the rangers fighting off their motorcycles or ATVs, it draws less attention away from the rangers or the villains actually dodging, evading or blocking laser beam attacks or energy blasts because in most of the fight scenes from SPD to Jungle Fury, and I think it has more to do with the way the fight scenes being choreographed than how much explosions are being used in them, it makes the impact of the villains and the rangers being shot a bit too weak because they keep missing everybody or they don't just the impact from the behind the characters' back side. That and the unnecessary super slow motion being used waaaay before the movie, "300" even came out at the time. But yeah, that unnecessary dialogues being used in most of the fight scenes in the Neo-Saban era is really annoying, and you can thank Power Rangers Samurai and Super Samurai for being the first to start that annoying trend back in 2011 and 2012. Along with the god-awful zord cockpit-exclusive modes and the annoying remix of "Go! Go! Power Rangers". Still, I say Operation Overdrive had the worst display of Kalishplosions, special effects and bad fight choreography in most of their fight scenes. Mystic Force, well..."Meh!" Way too much wire-fu. But, At least Jungle Fury actually improved in most areas and RPM's fight scenes were a lot better since Bruce Kalish quit being the show runner and executive producer for Power Rangers after Jungle Fury. |
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 21, 2018 10:11:59 GMT -5
ya i really hope the battle talk is toned down with hasbro. Be like it was before neo saban. As for unmorph fights sure ya i like having a good portion. But the bts reasons ie either actors dont have much fight training, or there stunt doubles dont look like them at all. Or they limit amount of stunts the actual actor does for fear of them getting hurt, insurance reasons is understandable. Just hopefully we get a good mix of unmorph and morph fights.
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Post by redsurge on Sept 22, 2018 8:57:42 GMT -5
This kind of goes off topic at some points, but parts relate here.
To be honest, I'll say this, and its fine if people disagree. But I've been rewatching Ninja Steel proper in preparation for SNS' end. I'm up to Episode 13 and I'm actually really enjoying it this time around (sans fart jokes, I don't even mind how much screentime two characters are getting because its not as big an interference as I thought).
So something I wanted to point out, is that a lot of the stuff we pin on Ninja Steel, is actually more present in Super Ninja Steel. This actually feels like a Ninja season that's balancing Ninja stuff (using Ninja techniques in battles, sneaking around in "training mode", training, which yes they don't do in every episode, but I'd be bored with any series if that was the case, etc) with High school stuff (the non-fart Victor and Monty stuff and the morals of the day being really enjoyable here and making sense for teenagers, in a sci-fi/fantasy setting anyway).
There's been some unmorphed fights, some actually good morphed fights, not as much talking as people say, and definitely not to an annoying extent.
Some more unrelated stuff; the story actually flows well and has some actually heartwarming moments, Galvanax isn't the most active villain but he met them in Episode 4 and was destroying the city by Episode 7 so... (not to mention there's actually a reason he's not going out so much). The other villains are okay (Odious is interesting, Cosmo is funny, and I kinda feel bad for Ripcon), the Rangers are cool, Mick is fun, Redbot is cute, and Victor and Monty can be funny when not farting or overfeatured. The acting is slightly shaky and the writing is awkward sometimes, but even some of my favorite seasons have that problem.
So what I'm trying to say is, so far Ninja Steel is very enjoyable. I know "The Adventures of Redbot" will slightly break that, but its actually not that bad. Its also not that bad with the Ninja theme and actually has good fights.
Now, I won't go into why Super Ninja Steel falters in the areas that made Ninja Steel enjoyable til the season ends in my area (the U.S.). But I will say, a lot of its problems have been imposed on to Ninja Steel proper and that's not right.
One of these problems that is relevant here, so I'll talk about it, is the fighting. I understand the reason for less morphed fights, but the Ninja theme is toned way down to a background point which is only occasionally brought up (making the Galactic Ninjas Arc awkward). As for the morphed fights, as I said, this is where it becomes unfair. People say "Ninja Steel morphed fights are just posing" and like I said, that's just imposing Super Ninja Steel's faults on the original. Super Ninja Steel morphed fights truly are just Sentai footage or posing. Its really sad because Ninja Steel had some great morphed fights with many being original footage (and again, this is ignored because Super Ninja Steel's flaws are forced on to Ninja Steel).
So in conclusion, while Super Ninja Steel lowered the bar on various things including the fight scenes, Ninja Steel (upon rewatch) is fun and actually has some great fight scenes.
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