aj0905
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Post by aj0905 on Apr 1, 2018 0:27:08 GMT -5
As of 8 episodes so far, do you think Lupinrangers sent a wrong message to the kids and teens that it is okay to steal things despite they lost their loved ones?
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Post by xman on Apr 1, 2018 1:57:46 GMT -5
Not exactly. But, I do like the idea that the gentleman thief sentai are acting like a true sentai as opposed to the secondary police-themed sentai, so far.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 1, 2018 3:20:21 GMT -5
Are you serious? The Gokaigers wouldn't hesitate to shoot those in their way, also it's a kids show and they are more robin hood than actual thieves.
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Post by Kaizoku Blue on Apr 1, 2018 5:01:44 GMT -5
Well, kaitou fiction is an entire genre in Japan and a lot of that includes media aimed at kids. Typically in kaitou shows the justification for the characters' actions is "s/he may be bad but the villains are worse!" so Lupinranger Vs Patranger is, if anything, more child-friendly with the idea that the Lupinrangers only steal to help save people they love (and they only ever steal the Lupin Collection)
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Apr 1, 2018 8:01:22 GMT -5
Plus it's not like they are killing folks beyond the evil monsters. It's really the whole Robin hood fairy tale in a superhero setting.
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Post by cd on Apr 1, 2018 9:14:02 GMT -5
The Lupinrangers are ultimately on the side of good, it's just their message is "The ends justify the means" in contrast to the Patranger's "The means justify the ends", so no they aren't bad role models are anything, they just have a different way of doing things.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 1, 2018 9:56:26 GMT -5
Yeah, despite their good intentions, stealing as means is wrong but I guess learning that will be part of their character development. I think Kairi is even self conscious about it more than the others since he's disappointed when he flashbacks to his fight with Keiichirou. He knows what he's doing is wrong but he's willing to do it to save his big bro. That's what I like about him, he's not the average apathetic thief, he actually has a conscience and guilt. He accepts that he can't be a true hero and that's why he can't be a true villain like the Gangler, more like a reluctant antihero. Even when he sacrifices himself to save Umika, you can see he has a solid sense of morality. He had no obligation to do that but he did it anyway. There's another time earlier when he let the Patrangers take care of Garatto so that Keiichirou could keep his promise to the victims. He doesn't want to be a thief and he's definitely not completely lawless. Notice how he's also the most respectful towards the Patrangers. Probably why he got so angry, he was judged so quickly and felt misunderstood.
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Post by crossranger on Apr 2, 2018 19:10:34 GMT -5
As several said in their post (mainly Kaizoku Blue), LupinRanger vs PatRanger is pretty much based in Kaitou, a genre based in Arsene Lupin series, but also in Lupin III, the Monkey Punch character, which is (arguably) a teen manga (in fact Keiichiro is closer in personality to the cop Zenigata, at the beginning), which is very popular in Japan, that excelled the boundaries of its own genre and marketed audience. There was mangas, sequels, several animes, spin-off, all popular with young people and adults (and films, even one directed by Hayao Miyazaki). Even the Persona 5 character (like a lot of people said) is based in the Arsene Lupin's novels. The genre is very popular, not only with teens, also with boys. It "romantizaced" the idea of thieves whom steal to bad people, and in the end they helps people. Think it like Robin Hood for Western audiences: he steals the rich ones to give it to the poor one. Also american superheroes, which in most the times are vigilantes (outside the law) with secret identities.
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aj0905
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Post by aj0905 on Apr 5, 2018 6:03:41 GMT -5
How will the parents guide these kids about Lupinrangers' intention and purpose?
Note: I watched some old episodes of Lupin III in the past.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 5, 2018 9:02:21 GMT -5
Hmmm, that's a difficult question. I doubt parental guidance would be effective here due to how morally grey the Lupinrangers are and no parent wants to tell their kid that stealing is okay. It's probably better for younger viewers to learn by watching the conflict and considering both sides' motivations. LupinPatren is already doing a great job showing how each side has good and bad points. I think if this were just Kaito Sentai Lupinranger without cop co-protagonists then there'd definitely be a problem with the lack of lawful good characters to remind viewers that stealing is wrong, regardless of motivation. Which is why the VS theme is necessary for this cops and robbers show. Imagine Gokaiger without legendary Sentai or Kyuranger without Jark Matter. Eventually, you might start to question why these Sentai are heroes, what makes them good guys? Under what circumstances does stealing suddenly become acceptable? Law and chaos are like LupinPatren's yin and yang paradigm, they're both important but you can't really understand half without seeing the other and what makes them different.
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Orion
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Post by Orion on Apr 7, 2018 13:33:03 GMT -5
The Lupinrangers are not sending a negative message.
This whole ‘steal if it brings back someone’ is as old of a theme as time itself. I actually think the dynamics between the two themes is incredible and gives everyone a side to choose from.
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