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Post by xman on Apr 28, 2022 22:43:56 GMT -5
I am currently listening to a Terra Venture podcast episode where the host is discussing about the 20 year commemoration of the Disney-era. And I have to ask. Do you think that the fandom has underestimated this era of Power Rangers? Here is the link to the podcast: Terra Venture Podcasts #343: "20 Years of the Disney-era" |
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Post by Venusaur on Apr 29, 2022 18:03:04 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Ever since Samurai came out this fandom, by and large, had been fellating the Disney era like the majority of it wasn't actively terrible. A combination of nostalgia and Disney ending on a high note with RPM.
I find the fact that the kids who grew up with Samurai as their introduction to Power Rangers are now old enough to be nostalgic for it and have fond memories for it, as opposed to the utter hate boner the adult fandom had for it in 2011, far more interesting than Disney fans loudly acting like their seasons were underappreciated critical master pieces when it was more like an era of crap and mediocrity capped by a single solid season.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Apr 29, 2022 18:19:00 GMT -5
For me I enjoyed overall Disney era. Minus a few things like so much explosions and really only weak series if bunch I say was overdrive.
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Post by crossranger on Apr 29, 2022 19:28:25 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Ever since Samurai came out this fandom, by and large, had been fellating the Disney era like the majority of it wasn't actively terrible. A combination of nostalgia and Disney ending on a high note with RPM. I find the fact that the kids who grew up with Samurai as their introduction to Power Rangers are now old enough to be nostalgic for it and have fond memories for it, as opposed to the utter hate boner the adult fandom had for it in 2011, far more interesting than Disney fans loudly acting like their seasons were underappreciated critical master pieces when it was more like an era of crap and mediocrity capped by a single solid season. I disagree completely with you. Disney era had more than RPM. Ninja Storm was highly underrated. Even with the Lothor's criticism of being too goofy, it was a season packed of good characters and interesting plots. Dino Thunder is great. Period. It handled the nostalgia, creating New characters, plot, and a great villian, somewhat better than some newer seasons. Hell, it's probably The Force Awakens, way before The Force Awakens was a thing. And comparing the sequel trilogy, that were trash, it's actually a good story, from beginning to end. SPD handled themes and characters better than some seasonin Saban's era, specially Sky's development. Mystic Force is alright. It's not boring, like some seasons in later years. Some of the criticism of MF should be directed to some Hasbro era seasons, like the actual Dino Fury. Jungle Fury, highly underrated. RPM is excellent. The only flaw, a mayor one, is Operation Overdrive. It's a terrible season. Probably, no, not probably, it's way worse than Megaforce or Super Megaforce togheter |
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Post by y2j1915 on Apr 29, 2022 21:27:29 GMT -5
I think upon further reflection a lot of people are seeing that the Disney era of Power Rangers wasn't all that bad in comparison to what we have now granted I haven't watched a lot of Dino Knights so I don't know how it is as a season but as far as I'm concerned samurai, Mega force, and super Mega force were dumpster fires of a season
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Post by xman on Apr 30, 2022 0:30:01 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Ever since Samurai came out this fandom, by and large, had been fellating the Disney era like the majority of it wasn't actively terrible. A combination of nostalgia and Disney ending on a high note with RPM. I find the fact that the kids who grew up with Samurai as their introduction to Power Rangers are now old enough to be nostalgic for it and have fond memories for it, as opposed to the utter hate boner the adult fandom had for it in 2011, far more interesting than Disney fans loudly acting like their seasons were underappreciated critical master pieces when it was more like an era of crap and mediocrity capped by a single solid season. I disagree completely with you. The Disney era had more than RPM. Ninja Storm was highly underrated. Even with the Lothor's criticism of being too goofy, it was a season packed of good characters and interesting plots. Dino Thunder is great, period. It handled the nostalgia, creating new characters, plot, and a great villian, somewhat better than some newer seasons. Hell, it's probably "The Force Awakens," way before The Force Awakens was a thing. And compared to the sequel trilogy, that was trash, it's actually a good story, from beginning to end. SPD handled themes and characters better than some seasons in the Saban-era, especially Sky's development. Mystic Force is alright. It's not boring, like some seasons in the later years. Some of the criticism of MF should be directed to some of the Hasbro-era seasons, like the actual Dino Fury. Jungle Fury, highly underrated. RPM is excellent. The only flaw, and a major one, is Operation Overdrive. It's a terrible season. Probably, no, not probably, it's way worse than Megaforce or Super Megaforce together. Wow, saying that Operation Overdrive is worse than Megaforce and Super Megaforce all-together is like saying that one pile of dog-s#$% tastes nastier than a much bigger pile of dog-s#$%. At least Operation Overdrive actually put in some effort and heart into delivering a good product. But, it's problem was that Disney was being so damn cheap back in 2007 by giving the production of the season a very miniscule budget. And we ended having a show that can classified as "Good ideas + bad execution = bad writing!" That's what Power Rangers Operation Overdrive is...a shows that had been victimized by bad writing and very little support from Disney at the time. Despite the fact that Disney is a multi-billion dollar company. Duh?!?! Megaforce and Super Megaforce are just crap on their own. Two examples of why you shouldn't make a product if you don't care about the material that you are working with or if you just want to piss off your boss for no reason. So, the message is.... "DON'T BE LAZY, AND START ACTING LIKE YOU GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR JOB AND YOUR LIFE!!"But yeah, there has been a lot more good coming from the Disney-era seasons than there are bad. It's just that we have been so attached to the classic Saban-era seasons in our youths that we simply just got turned off with the production changes and the quality being a downgrade to what we got in the past. Of course, I personally think that Dino Fury is kind of lacking a sense of direction in its' second season. Beast Morphers (season one) was the strongest installment of the Hasbro era. But season two was kind of "meh" for me. But it was nice to see Colonel Truman and Dr. K from RPM returning after eleven years. Dino Fury (season one) looked it had an idea. But it lacks an engaging lore. As for the Neo-Saban era....yeah, aside from Dino Charge, I'm gonna be like the characters from Disney's Encanto, and don't talk about anything that came from Samurai/Super Samurai, Megaforce/Super Megaforce and Ninja Steel/Super Ninja Steel, period. In fact, let's just pretend like the majority of the Neo-Saban era seasons never happened. |
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Post by Venusaur on Apr 30, 2022 7:52:47 GMT -5
The amount of people acting like the Disney era hasn't benefitted from nostalgia is hysterical.
People who are the in the age range for the early Disney seasons to be their first season are in their early to mid 20s ffs. We have Ranger actors who are young enough to be like yeah Ninja Storm was my favorite season! Which given their age checks out.
But no some of you all still think Saban has nostalgia>Disney was overlooked and underappreciated still applies
And no the Disney era still by and large sucks. Its still the era of horrendous ADR work and pew pew pew sound effects (which to be fair was never fixed in the Saban Brands and Hasbro eras and arguably got worse), completely pointless civilian super powers as mandated by Disney who never understood the show,eye sore Koichispolisions (which only exist because of Disney's draconian attempt to downplay the violence) and obnoxious ahole Rangers.
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Post by crossranger on Apr 30, 2022 8:37:54 GMT -5
I can't deny Megaforce and Super Megaforce are bad, but gosh. Operation Overdrive is having a group of sociopaths with suicidal tendencies, being Rangers. I actually liked the Mack's storyline, but that's an oasis of competence in a desert of awfulness. Bad writing, bad ideas, worse execution....It really doesn't matter if the budget or Disney's support are minimal, seasons with less budget, less support of the mayor network, and clashing of ideas behind the scenes, gave us better seasons. What's the excuse of Operation Overdrive? Lazyness. Like Megaforce/Super Megaforce, one writer in a Morphicon said Bruce Kalish didn't care about the actual storyline. The whole "why an adult male gonna construct a robot who looks like a young adult? Because ha didn't have the time to have a relationship? WTF" Nah. The writers that worked there tried to fix the problems, but Kalish just didn't care.
Megaforce aimed low, and kinda success. Super Megaforce failed miserably. But at least they weren't psychos or incompetents.
Actually, reading what you post didn't tell me anything about "fans have nostalgia for Disney era". It's the same with any era in the past. Like old Saban era. In fact, your arguments are so weak I don't know if I care to write a counter argument.
ADR get's better with DIno Thunder. Still, it's miles ahead of Samurai, Megaforce and some episodes of Nnja steel. ADR actually improved by now, in Dino Fury, but it's still very weak in comparison of old Saban. Neo Saban era have the same voice actor making the same gruntly voice in the mayor villians. Disney had variety at least. The Kalish explosions or Koichi explosions are an staple, I think improved a lot the action. It's something missing in the Neo Saban era. In fact, Dino Fury strenght is in the mechas fights, not the action against monsters, that's pretty boring. And the civilian powers improved the out-the-suit fights. SPD have great pieces of action. Dino Thunder too. Hell, Beast Morpher had it, in suit, and nobody complain.
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Post by xman on Apr 30, 2022 9:55:56 GMT -5
I can't deny Megaforce and Super Megaforce are bad, but gosh. Operation Overdrive is having a group of sociopaths with suicidal tendencies, being Rangers. I actually liked the Mack's storyline, but that's an oasis of competence in a desert of awfulness. Bad writing, bad ideas, worse execution....It really doesn't matter if the budget or Disney's support are minimal, seasons with less budget, less support of the mayor network, and clashing of ideas behind the scenes, gave us better seasons. What's the excuse of Operation Overdrive? Laziness. Like Megaforce/Super Megaforce, one writer in a Power Morphicon Q&A panel said that Bruce Kalish didn't care about the actual storyline. The whole "why is an adult male gonna construct a robot who looks like a young adult? Because he didn't have the time to have a relationship?! WTF?!" Nah. The writers that worked there tried to fix the problems, but Kalish just didn't care. Megaforce aimed low, and kinda success. Super Megaforce failed miserably. But at least they weren't psychos or incompetents. Well, only one of the Overdrive team members was borderline suicidal and that was obviously the one character that had the most "development" in his storyline because of the relevant of that plot-twist. Hint: It ain't Dax Lo, or Will Ashton since nobody else liked those characters. Tyzonn is a bit bland, and they didn't do any justice for Ronny and Rose, character-wise. But Once A Ranger?! Wooooooohhh, boy!!! that team-up episode did not make anybody look good. It only made the Veteran Rangers feel like they are the more super-duper, mega incredibly awesome experienced team of Power Rangers that we should be watching more of. And it sure as hell made the Overdrive team look even worse because now, they are just a group of unlikable assholes who just gave up at the top of the hat because they simply just lost their ranger powers despite them still having their Civilian powers. "Oh, but that's not good enough!!" They say. God, what a terrible episode. But yeah, the only positive that the Megaforce team had over the Overdrive team was that they weren't narrow-minded pyscho-paths or incompetent. But, that's not really saying much now, is it?!  God, I hope that these actors from Megaforce found better jobs. Same for the cast members of Samurai. |
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Post by Venusaur on Apr 30, 2022 11:42:00 GMT -5
Actually, reading what you post didn't tell me anything about "fans have nostalgia for Disney era". It's the same with any era in the past. Surprisingly, your poor reading comprehension isn't my problem. We're not talking about the old Saban era, we're talking about the Disney. What aboutisms aren't valid arguments. Yes, no shit, there's nostalgia for the Saban era. . The irony of saying this and then providing your weak counter arguments to defend the Disney era is gold. It really hasn't. The sound engineering has been an absolute trainwreck since the franchise moved to New Zealand and hasn't gotten to any thing approaching acceptable since. The irony of completely proving my point that the nostalgia boner Disney is strong. Absolutely nobody in their right mind would call the Koichispolosions good. They were an absolute joke back in 2005 and they still are. The civilian powers did not improve the out of suit fights they made them lame and defeated the purpose of needing to transform to become Power Rangers. Having powers as Rangers is completely different than having powers as civilian. Laughable you thought that what aboutism at Beast Morphers was a good argument. |
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Post by crossranger on May 1, 2022 7:45:44 GMT -5
Neither your poor skills as argumentative to me. Your words exemplife the "blah, blah, blah, everybody had a boner nostalgia. blah, blah blah, I'm right, you're wrong" You, in any way and form, said any coherent to inform how everybody had hostalgia as a defense for Disney. Neither do I. I just said how, things, to my opinion, are objectivable better in DIsney era. And whataboutism? You don't know how you use that word. Here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhataboutismYou're not using the word correctly. |
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Post by xman on May 1, 2022 18:46:56 GMT -5
For me I enjoyed overall Disney era. Minus a few things like so much explosions and really only weak series if bunch I say was overdrive. For me?! The only things that I didn't like about it Disney era besides the unnecessary "Kalishplosions," were the aesthetic choices to have everybody jump around and punching and kicking somebody to make fulton torpedo and laser sound effects post-SPD. Like seriously, why do peopl need to make laser sound effects whenever they have to punch or kick somebody?! What the hell was wrong with just making the classic jet stream sound effects whenever characters are jumping around and exploding sound effects whenever we see characters punch and kick somebody? How you feel if you saw the final battle of Avengers: Endgame where everybody is making laser sound effects whenever they punch or kick something?! Or how would anyone else feel if they saw T'Challa fighting Erik Killmonger in Black Panther while making laser sound effects whenever they start and kicking each other? Would anyone take these fight scenes seriously if they actually did that in those movies, for example? |
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Post by crossranger on May 3, 2022 17:21:51 GMT -5
First of all, I don't think Koichi's explosions or Kalishexplosions are bad, the laser sounds... I agree, they were stupid.
Second, the fight choreography in the MCU is mostly okay. Most of the punches look boring, too many special effects, and sometimes the editing didn't help. At least in PR the action looks great. I don't care if they look more fantastic, at least they are memorable. Kilmonger vs. T'Challa? No. The fight is correct, but nothing memorable.
I think the MCU has some interesting fights: Cap vs. Iron Man in Civil War, and Tom Holland's Spidey vs. Willem Dafoe's Goblin, in the building. The rest? Meh.
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Post by Venusaur on May 5, 2022 8:46:38 GMT -5
Neither your poor skills as argumentative to me. Your words exemplife the "blah, blah, blah, everybody had a boner nostalgia. blah, blah blah, I'm right, you're wrong" You, in any way and form, said any coherent to inform how everybody had hostalgia as a defense for Disney I have. Sorry you can't read. Rhetorical question. Are you fucking stupid? The argument: Civilian powers like in Dino Thunder are stupid You: Beast Morphers had in suit powers. Nobody complained about that. You are absolutely using what aboutism you absolute moronic dingbat. But I'm done arguing with you. Clearly you're too stupid to bother with. |
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Post by crossranger on May 9, 2022 21:08:37 GMT -5
Yes, I can read, that's why I answer, that you didn't have any single argument. It's just an opnion. A not good one, by the way. No, you are the one who are a fucking stupid because you don't know what the fuck is rethorical, so don't use it. You sounds like a moron trying to use big words, and you don't know how to use them. Ha. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric And that's why you are a moron: That's not an argument, that's an opinion. It's different. Here, have a try. Educate yourself. Or you don't know how to read? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArgumentIt's "whataboutism" not what aboutism. And still, it isn't. It's just a comparison. Not even you refute why the civilian powers are stupid. But a child like you probably don't know. I'm glad you're done. I'm almost started to sweat. LOL. |
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God, I hope that these actors from Megaforce found better jobs. Same for the cast members of Samurai.