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Post by tatsuranger on Sept 15, 2022 11:14:52 GMT -5
"Most of the fans" doing something doesn't necessarily make it good. If people are getting upset over something that is just an assumption at the moment, that's more on them rather than the show. The reason we're assuming the worse because this is the type of half-assed nonsensical idiotic writing we've come to expect from modern Power rangers. The (so far) confirmed thing about green Morphin master is just as terrible and half-assed as the assumption. The aforementioned clip of Zayto from Dino Fury confirmed that the green Morphin master gave the megaforce rangers the power to transform into Sentai-only teams. WHY? Why would she do that? What good did it do? Confirming they, the Morphin masters, have access to past teams that are essential to the POWER RANGERS lore, why choose the Sentai only teams that no one's ever heard of, never been built up or mentioned EVER until that moment? Since Zayto confirmed she gave them the powers, how did Gosei know that when he said the unlocked powers never seen on earth? Terrible writing that contradicts the lore about this show that was established long ago. But because it's a callback to MMPR, I'm supposed to accept that? Because it was "explained", I'm supposed to be accept that? HELL NO. No self respecting person who loves this franchise should accept this crap. EVER.
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Post by crossranger on Sept 15, 2022 13:49:49 GMT -5
"Most of the fans" doing something doesn't necessarily make it good. If people are getting upset over something that is just an assumption at the moment, that's more on them rather than the show. The same for the writers doing something that is panned in several other franchises. I already say my piece about an uber powerful being changing things because writers wanted it easy. It's a half-assed explanation. Sorry if you can't see it. It took agency of your characters if your "all powerful being" is the one giving all the powers and resolving issues in an easy way for the characters. Remember when everybody hated when Gosei gave the Megaforce Rangers more zords, without deserving it? Well, this is the same situation.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 15, 2022 14:16:25 GMT -5
Here my thought if for the folks saying it lazy or what not. Knowing they wanted to tie some powers and past events together. How would you want it to go. Vs what show is doing with the masters.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 15, 2022 14:41:48 GMT -5
No self respecting person who loves this franchise should accept this crap. This is the exact type of undeserved overreaction I'm talking about. You're not even complaining about something that actually happened. Remember when everybody hated when Gosei gave the Megaforce Rangers more zords, without deserving it? Well, this is the same situation. I have to disagree. Gosei wasn't really a character, he just gave characters toys for no reason. The Green Morphin Master isn't handing out toys, she's just helping at random points in time, and there's an actual plot behind it. There wasn't any plot behind Gosei's stuff, he was just giving it. He wasn't a character with motive, he was a toy dispenser. There's an actual story going on behind the Morphin Master's actions. I would like to once again say, it's fine to not like it. But I personally think the complaints are a little overblown (a lot overblown in the cases of some people) or have incorrect comparisons. But, opinions and all that.
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Post by crossranger on Sept 15, 2022 14:44:37 GMT -5
Probably I would use Morphing Masters as creators of the Dino Fury powers, but I wouldn't have the "they gave Megaforce the New Powers" or "they are the ones they invoked the Rangers in Legendary Battle" or "they teleport Jason in Grid Connection". The part of the Green Morphing Master rebelling and being shunned off by the other Masters I would not have it. There are several issues since the apparition of Ninja Nexus Prism, trying to connect it with the Morphing Masters.....and Aiyon. Aiyon could be revived by the Void Knight. Not involvement of the Morphing Masters at all. I think I would leave the Morphing Masters as figures of the past, from legends, more than active players that appear when things don't go well for the Rangers.
EDIT: "Gosei isn't a character. The Morphing Master is" Oh, the hypocrisy....
Look, the Green Morphing Master is just a plot device. It's less of a character than Gosei. And believe me, I'm not fan of Gosei. But he wasn't an all-mighty power with cool toys.
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Post by tatsuranger on Sept 15, 2022 16:28:32 GMT -5
No self respecting person who loves this franchise should accept this crap. This is the exact type of undeserved overreaction I'm talking about. You're not even complaining about something that actually happened. It's obvious you don't have a solid case to explain why this mess of idiotic writing is a good thing. According to you, I should sit down and shut up because it was "explained". Seems a lot of people have forgotten a long time ago that being a fan of a beloved IP doesn't mean you MUST automatically and blindly accept EVERY new thing that comes that said IP, cause at that point you aren't a true fan, you're a mindless consumer or a corporate shill.
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Post by tatsuranger on Sept 15, 2022 16:54:46 GMT -5
Here my thought if for the folks saying it lazy or what not. Knowing they wanted to tie some powers and past events together. How would you want it to go. Vs what show is doing with the masters. That's a good question and I'm glad you asked that. I'd keep the Morphin masters as the providers of the Morphin Grid and the creators of SOME powers, not all. I'd wouldn't write that the green Morphin master was involved in various Power rangers event AFTER fully establishing that they were around earth since its beginning. I'd NEVER explain the "New Powers" unless given enough time to explain each team ONE at a time over time and put them in important roles. Then again, I wouldn't have introduced the new powers at all. I wouldn't make the Morphin Grid the ultimate Mcguffin that can tell the future or turn people human. I'd just keep it as the source of All Power ranger powers, I'd keep it as a source of unlimited energy. I have no problem with the concept of heroes and villians using morphin grid energy to power up various items, just the way it was executed.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 15, 2022 17:17:38 GMT -5
This is the exact type of undeserved overreaction I'm talking about. You're not even complaining about something that actually happened. It's obvious you don't have a solid case to explain why this mess of idiotic writing is a good thing. According to you, I should sit down and shut up because it was "explained". Seems a lot of people have forgotten a long time ago that being a fan of a beloved IP doesn't mean you MUST automatically and blindly accept EVERY new thing that comes that said IP, cause at that point you aren't a true fan, you're a mindless consumer or a corporate shill. No, I've explained time and time again my standpoint and I've said time and time again that it's fine if you don't like it. However, this is a discussion board, and sometimes people will disagree with you, especially if you're making false claims. But, as usual, you choose to ignore what people actually are saying, misrepresenting their argument in a poor attempt to make yourself look better because you're unable to properly defend your point as well as throwing out repetitive and petty insults that prove once again that you aren't worth discussing anything with. And I fully expect you'll respond to this with more of that, because you're incapable of bringing something new or having a rational discussion.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 15, 2022 17:19:52 GMT -5
"Gosei isn't a character. The Morphing Master is" Oh, the hypocrisy.... Look, the Green Morphing Master is just a plot device. It's less of a character than Gosei. And believe me, I'm not fan of Gosei. But he wasn't an all-mighty power with cool toys. See, that's provably false though. Where were Gosei's motives ever explained? Where was the episode going into his backstory? Where was the conflict with him as a character? When were his personal feelings shown? All of these things were given to the Green Morphin Master. That's the stuff that makes a character with depth. Gosei had no depth at all. Have you seen the episode? Because it's starting to seem like you didn't actually watch it and are just assuming it's the worst thing imaginable, and some of your claims are objectively false. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I assumed we (As in you and I, not speaking for certain others) were having a semi-respectful disagreement about the show. At least I was trying to. But the condescending tone you're taking is making me question that.
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Post by crossranger on Sept 15, 2022 18:04:01 GMT -5
I actually see the episode. But the Green Morphing Master didn't have a motivation beyond "I want to help". It's weird, because you could say the same for Gosei. He was the apprentice of Zordon, and Zordon wanted to help the mankind. Why? Probably because he had a feud with Rita. And Gosei? Well, his backstory isn't explored completely. But the fact he wanted to help the mankind, is not should be overlooked. I have to agree, it's not the most solid of the motivations, and I know Tzachor and Bates wanted to create Zordon 2.0 to catter in nostalgia. (Which is not different of what writers of Dino Fury are doing right now.). But believing And of course we have a disagreement. But I never treated with condescending tone, except when you started "nobody here is chill". Look, I tried to give some peace and not "enhace" more the heat here. I don't try to pick a fight.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 15, 2022 18:10:53 GMT -5
I actually see the episode. But the Green Morphing Master didn't have a motivation beyond "I want to help". It's weird, because you could say the same for Gosei. He was the apprentice of Zordon, and Zordon wanted to help the mankind. Why? Probably because he had a feud with Rita. And Gosei? Well, his backstory isn't explored completely. But the fact he wanted to help the mankind, is not should be overlooked. I have to agree, it's not the most solid of the motivations, and I know Tzachor and Bates wanted to create Zordon 2.0 to catter in nostalgia. (Which is not different of what writers of Dino Fury are doing right now.). But believing And of course we have a disagreement. But I never treated with condescending tone, except when you started "nobody here is chill". Look, I tried to give some peace and not "enhace" more the heat here. I don't try to pick a fight. But that's where it goes further than Gosei. We learned that the Morphin Master's friends were killed in a battle, that Green broke away from them to do more good, that she did what she could to help. she made a heroic sacrifice. She wanted to help, even if it goes against her duty and the promise the Masters made. That's more than we ever learned about Gosei. We never heard of Gosei's struggles, anything about his past outside of one mention of him being Zordon's apprentice, where he even came from. To say Gosei is more of a character than her just isn't true. And while you may not have meant it, the "Oh the hypocrisy..." came off pretty condescending. That being said, I think it's safe to say we're just kinda going in circles. You don't see my points, I don't see yours. I guess we can just agree to disagree.
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Post by tatsuranger on Sept 15, 2022 19:25:58 GMT -5
It's obvious you don't have a solid case to explain why this mess of idiotic writing is a good thing. According to you, I should sit down and shut up because it was "explained". Seems a lot of people have forgotten a long time ago that being a fan of a beloved IP doesn't mean you MUST automatically and blindly accept EVERY new thing that comes that said IP, cause at that point you aren't a true fan, you're a mindless consumer or a corporate shill. No, I've explained time and time again my standpoint and I've said time and time again that it's fine if you don't like it. However, this is a discussion board, and sometimes people will disagree with you, especially if you're making false claims. But, as usual, you choose to ignore what people actually are saying, misrepresenting their argument in a poor attempt to make yourself look better because you're unable to properly defend your point as well as throwing out repetitive and petty insults that prove once again that you aren't worth discussing anything with. And I fully expect you'll respond to this with more of that, because you're incapable of bringing something new or having a rational discussion. No, you just want people like me and crossranger to sit down and shut up and accept bad, nonsensical writing and mediocrity, we say no. You got upset because I said that mess about the green Morphin master makes it worse, because It does. You can accept it. That's fine. More power to you. That doesn't mean I have to.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 15, 2022 19:59:59 GMT -5
No, I've explained time and time again my standpoint and I've said time and time again that it's fine if you don't like it. However, this is a discussion board, and sometimes people will disagree with you, especially if you're making false claims. But, as usual, you choose to ignore what people actually are saying, misrepresenting their argument in a poor attempt to make yourself look better because you're unable to properly defend your point as well as throwing out repetitive and petty insults that prove once again that you aren't worth discussing anything with. And I fully expect you'll respond to this with more of that, because you're incapable of bringing something new or having a rational discussion. No, you just want people like me and crossranger to sit down and shut up and accept bad, nonsensical writing and mediocrity, we say no. You got upset because I said that mess about the green Morphin master makes it worse, because It does. You can accept it. That's fine. More power to you. That doesn't mean I have to. And once again you prove my point. Good job.
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Post by tatsuranger on Sept 15, 2022 21:09:29 GMT -5
No, you just want people like me and crossranger to sit down and shut up and accept bad, nonsensical writing and mediocrity, we say no. You got upset because I said that mess about the green Morphin master makes it worse, because It does. You can accept it. That's fine. More power to you. That doesn't mean I have to. And once again you prove my point. Good job. Nope. This time you're in the wrong. Your argument failed cause you failed in your attempt to prove me and crossranger wrong in our assessments. Like I said, this makes it worse, and me and crossranger are right. You said we didn't have to like it, doesn't mean we cant talk about it.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 15, 2022 21:25:08 GMT -5
Whatever helps you feel better, buddy.
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