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Post by zarius on Oct 8, 2020 5:02:31 GMT -5
I think Kimberly said that he was like a father to them. That was a line uttered in a non-canonical movie.
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Post by purplecreator on Oct 8, 2020 6:15:27 GMT -5
You mean Hayley.
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Post by crossranger on Oct 8, 2020 12:44:49 GMT -5
I think it's not the point. Probably is right: it's a matter of opinion, but sometimes fans said "oh yeah, Megaforce is the worst thing ever. They have powers without explanation". Then the Master Morpher happened and everybody is "Best thing ever". I can said "it's fine. Moving on" the fact old depowered Rangers, like the MMPR returned in Legendary Battle, but when Tommy have the ability to invoke every single power he had, I rolled my eyes and say "why?". Look I'm not a Tommy hater, and Dimensions in Danger have good intentions, but come on. You can't let a free pass to the Master Morpher and complaining endlessly about Megaforce having "unexplained" powers. For the record, I don't think Megaforce is the best season, but I think it's unfairly treated. It's dissapointing? Too many missed opportunities? Stiff? Sure. The worse season? Nope. Watching Ninja Steel made me look Megaforce into a new light, because, man, Ninja Steel is all over the place. It's a rollercoast of quality, having being good thing, bad things, sometimes cringefest, missed opportunities, stiff acting....I'm sure it made me apologize with Megaforce for thinking it was awful. The whole Master Morpher made me say: well, I'm sure "There is a simple explanation for this" works like a glove here.
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Post by boukengreen on Oct 9, 2020 4:09:07 GMT -5
I think it's not the point. Probably is right: it's a matter of opinion, but sometimes fans said "oh yeah, Megaforce is the worst thing ever. They have powers without explanation". Then the Master Morpher happened and everybody is "Best thing ever". I can said "it's fine. Moving on" the fact old depowered Rangers, like the MMPR returned in Legendary Battle, but when Tommy have the ability to invoke every single power he had, I rolled my eyes and say "why?". Look I'm not a Tommy hater, and Dimensions in Danger have good intentions, but come on. You can't let a free pass to the Master Morpher and complaining endlessly about Megaforce having "unexplained" powers. For the record, I don't think Megaforce is the best season, but I think it's unfairly treated. It's dissapointing? Too many missed opportunities? Stiff? Sure. The worse season? Nope. Watching Ninja Steel made me look Megaforce into a new light, because, man, Ninja Steel is all over the place. It's a rollercoast of quality, having being good thing, bad things, sometimes cringefest, missed opportunities, stiff acting....I'm sure it made me apologize with Megaforce for thinking it was awful. The whole Master Morpher made me say: well, I'm sure "There is a simple explanation for this" works like a glove here. Cross I think the issue is that you're looking at all things from negative point of view which is probably making stuff that is not very questionable to seem weird, the master morpher is very easily believable because we know Tommy has been tinkering with ranger powers for 25 years, he got his green ranger coin repowered temporarily, was obviously observing zordon forge the white ranger powers,even zeo or turbo powers and himself forged the dino gems into dino morphers so him restoring all his powers back and bringing them all together in a single morpher makes so much sense.plus in legendary battle he only used white ranger saber and green ranger powers which might mean he was working on getting them back up one by one and white ranger powers were probably not completely back by then therefore he only had saba and not the suit but by dimensions in danger he had all his powers back and master morpher was complete and ready for use. Now onto Megaforce, yes Megaforce is not really a super bad season, it has a lot of positives and innovative ideas (struggle between different life forms and Vrak basically getting remade into a totally different being i.e a robotbeing few of them. But the problem is that they promised us so much more , they hyped us to the moon and gave up nothing above average with a boatload of bad execution. And as far as ninja steel goes it saves itself from going really low is by simply being mediocre and not being anything unbearable or absolutely crappy.
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Post by zarius on Oct 9, 2020 6:54:58 GMT -5
Ninja Steel certainly has it's moments, it just didn't do enough with them, or wasted too much time on low-brow comedy. The 'comedy' in modern PR is very trying, at least Megaforce didn't have a Ben and Betty or Victor and Monty.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 9, 2020 11:20:21 GMT -5
Victor and Monty were not nearly as offensive and off-putting as 'fan wisdom' says they were.
Their propensity for bodily humor was emphasized more than some might have liked, but it also didn't go too far.
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Post by GoseiYellow on Oct 9, 2020 12:51:13 GMT -5
Okay, in my opinion for Ninja Steel, it's not what we hoped for but it's not as bad. My thing is that they did a copy off of Dino Charge (the dad story and the Rangers getting their powers). Victor and Monty weren't bad either but didn't reach the level of Bulk and Skull.
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Post by crossranger on Oct 9, 2020 17:46:17 GMT -5
Cross I think the issue is that you're looking at all things from negative point of view which is probably making stuff that is not very questionable to seem weird, the master morpher is very easily believable because we know Tommy has been tinkering with ranger powers for 25 years, he got his green ranger coin repowered temporarily, was obviously observing zordon forge the white ranger powers,even zeo or turbo powers and himself forged the dino gems into dino morphers so him restoring all his powers back and bringing them all together in a single morpher makes so much sense.plus in legendary battle he only used white ranger saber and green ranger powers which might mean he was working on getting them back up one by one and white ranger powers were probably not completely back by then therefore he only had saba and not the suit but by dimensions in danger he had all his powers back and master morpher was complete and ready for use. Now onto Megaforce, yes Megaforce is not really a super bad season, it has a lot of positives and innovative ideas (struggle between different life forms and Vrak basically getting remade into a totally different being i.e a robotbeing few of them. But the problem is that they promised us so much more , they hyped us to the moon and gave up nothing above average with a boatload of bad execution. And as far as ninja steel goes it saves itself from going really low is by simply being mediocre and not being anything unbearable or absolutely crappy. No, I get it. This is the thing about my discussion with mnikolic was the "swap colors" thing. For me, SUper Megaforce powers are just another set of powers, probably like NInja mode in MMPR season 3. It's not a power-up per se, just another set of powers and colors. Also, Orion have a "Gold mode", so.......I never think it's a big issue for me. But the whole Master Morpher open a whole new can of worms. In the past, you hsve some set of objects, plus the morphers (dino gems, dino coins, energems, Quasar sabers, etc) plus the morphers to have the connection with the grid, (there some season that doens't have that (Solar morphers, Rescue morpher, Chrono morpher),) but when the artifact is depowered, done. You can recharge it. My point is, every Ranger can have that Morpher? Jason didn't have one in Beast Morpher. He can become the Zeo Gold Ranger? Or when he returned the powers to Trey of Triforia, he can't acces those powers anymore? ANd Tommy can access the Red Turbo Ranger powers? Or T.J.? I dunno. At least the Ranger Keys have a limit of 2 minutes in this. Rocky in DImension in Danger have one? He can give the MMPR Red powers to Jason freely? I have issues with Dimension in Danger. It's not bad, but it's not mindblowing. I'm also the guy who was pretty dissapointed by the whole "hype" the Legendary Battle had. But I don't think it was that bad. Ninja Steel have crappy moments, in my opinion. There were good stuff with Preston and his dad, but the episode of "parents dating" was so awful. ALso, the introduction of some Zords are very Megaforce-like. "Here is the Sub Surfer". Meh. I'm dissapointed with Ninja Steel. It promised good things from the start, and.....the hype also faded.
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Post by boukengreen on Oct 10, 2020 1:13:12 GMT -5
Cross I think the issue is that you're looking at all things from negative point of view which is probably making stuff that is not very questionable to seem weird, the master morpher is very easily believable because we know Tommy has been tinkering with ranger powers for 25 years, he got his green ranger coin repowered temporarily, was obviously observing zordon forge the white ranger powers,even zeo or turbo powers and himself forged the dino gems into dino morphers so him restoring all his powers back and bringing them all together in a single morpher makes so much sense.plus in legendary battle he only used white ranger saber and green ranger powers which might mean he was working on getting them back up one by one and white ranger powers were probably not completely back by then therefore he only had saba and not the suit but by dimensions in danger he had all his powers back and master morpher was complete and ready for use. Now onto Megaforce, yes Megaforce is not really a super bad season, it has a lot of positives and innovative ideas (struggle between different life forms and Vrak basically getting remade into a totally different being i.e a robotbeing few of them. But the problem is that they promised us so much more , they hyped us to the moon and gave up nothing above average with a boatload of bad execution. And as far as ninja steel goes it saves itself from going really low is by simply being mediocre and not being anything unbearable or absolutely crappy. No, I get it. This is the thing about my discussion with mnikolic was the "swap colors" thing. For me, SUper Megaforce powers are just another set of powers, probably like NInja mode in MMPR season 3. It's not a power-up per se, just another set of powers and colors. Also, Orion have a "Gold mode", so.......I never think it's a big issue for me. But the whole Master Morpher open a whole new can of worms. In the past, you hsve some set of objects, plus the morphers (dino gems, dino coins, energems, Quasar sabers, etc) plus the morphers to have the connection with the grid, (there some season that doens't have that (Solar morphers, Rescue morpher, Chrono morpher),) but when the artifact is depowered, done. You can recharge it. My point is, every Ranger can have that Morpher? Jason didn't have one in Beast Morpher. He can become the Zeo Gold Ranger? Or when he returned the powers to Trey of Triforia, he can't acces those powers anymore? ANd Tommy can access the Red Turbo Ranger powers? Or T.J.? I dunno. At least the Ranger Keys have a limit of 2 minutes in this. Rocky in DImension in Danger have one? He can give the MMPR Red powers to Jason freely? I have issues with Dimension in Danger. It's not bad, but it's not mindblowing. I'm also the guy who was pretty dissapointed by the whole "hype" the Legendary Battle had. But I don't think it was that bad. Ninja Steel have crappy moments, in my opinion. There were good stuff with Preston and his dad, but the episode of "parents dating" was so awful. ALso, the introduction of some Zords are very Megaforce-like. "Here is the Sub Surfer". Meh. I'm dissapointed with Ninja Steel. It promised good things from the start, and.....the hype also faded. Yes I agree with you color swap is not that big of a deal , it's the execution where saban ruined the fun, they could've let the Megaforce powers and super Megaforce powers be not connected to each other but nope Tzachor seemed to have an obligation to be extremely stupid once in a while, also if they were not gonna give an explanation for it ,it'd would've been fine ,TJ ,Carlos or Rocky even Orio never asked for an explanation for a color swap but nope they had to bring in the question and leave it unanswered. That's what bothered me the most,not the color swap, but raising the question when you're not gonna answer it. Now for the depowered morphers , it's simple remember when Adam morphed into MMPR black ranger in "In space",that's all explanation that was required , a morpher can technically never be permanently depowered, yes it's connection to morphin grid is breakable and yes the device itself can be destroyed bu connection to the grid can be reestablished and device can be remade.yes often in finales we have seen rangers saying that they have lost their powers but there is a context behind each one of them,MMPR coins would take too long to repair and rangers had an immediate battle at hands, ninja storm powers or dino gem powers were not completely destroyed but simply needed recharging which was not needed since the battle with Lothor or mesagog was over. Also I must remind you whether mentioned in the season or not every ranger power is connected to the morphin grid. Onto Ninja steel while the new zords didn't exactly have a solid explanation but it was still good enough since the 2nd episode established that there were powers waiting to be unlocked but since the prism did not tell them about each power at once , it seemed fine enough to bear. And yes legendary battle was only ok and that was its cardinal sin because they promised us something epic not something ok, plus past rangers cameos were not even ok, I would rather have the last episode be a full on parellal between Megaforce rangers and past rangers.we could simply have had Megaforce ranger sitting around the fire and discussing the grim situation while past rangers fight footsoldiers in different parts of the world and get smashed a bit , suddenly find a second breath and start a fightback while all while Troy gives his "one last battle" to his team.but nope all they did was some subtle throwbacks and then a Tommy takeover (please no more Tommy, guys like Wes,Leo,Carter or Casey deserve a spotlight too).
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 10, 2020 8:37:50 GMT -5
Megaforce fell short of what it could have been because Tzachor has become an obsessed fool who convinced his bosses that 'least common denominator storytelling' and doing the absolute bare minimum was going to be enough to cater to the 'nostalgia factor' of Power Rangers being in existence for around 20 years, but if you remove the 'what could have been' factor, it still has a good overall story, intriguing villains, hero and ally characters who are fun for how they're presented, and parallels to the franchise's roots that feel organic rather than forced.
It's not a perfect season even judged solely on its own merits, but there's never been a perfect season of Power Rangers ever.
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Post by Venusaur on Oct 10, 2020 18:18:40 GMT -5
Megaforce fell short of what it could have been because Tzachor has become an obsessed fool who convinced his bosses that 'least common denominator storytelling' and doing the absolute bare minimum was going to be enough to cater to the 'nostalgia factor' of Power Rangers being in existence for around 20 years, but if you remove the 'what could have been' factor, it still has a good overall story, intriguing villains, hero and ally characters who are fun for how they're presented, and parallels to the franchise's roots that feel organic rather than forced. It's not a perfect season even judged solely on its own merits, but there's never been a perfect season of Power Rangers ever. I’m gonna be honest, I just think Tzachor doesn’t want to do Power Rangers lol. Ciarra Hanna said Perfect Storm was his baby. And while it’s easily one of the best directed episodes in a loong time it barely has anything to do with Power Rangers. He wanted Samurai to be 100 percent translation of Shinkenger but Haim Saban stepped in and hired James Bates to make it 95 Shinkenger as dubbed by 4Kids and 5 percent MMPR redux. Tzachor also seemed to prefer the more military aspects over the teenagers living with double lives. He vetoed anything “high school-y” like protest, social media, a fame hungry Ranger. The seasons he had more control over (In Space-Wild Force, Samurai, and Megaforce) tended to focus more on them being Rangers first. I don’t think he cared much for the high school shennigans like Haim Saban, Doug Sloan, Tony Oliver, and James Bates
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 10, 2020 20:12:13 GMT -5
Tzachor wanted Samurai to be 100 percent translation of Shinkenger but Haim Saban stepped in and hired James Bates to make it 95 Shinkenger as dubbed by 4Kids and 5 percent MMPR redux For me, Samurai suffers because of the attempt to shove MMPR nostalgia into it, so it's the one instance where I wish Tzachor had been able to go full dub.
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Post by boukengreen on Oct 10, 2020 22:39:00 GMT -5
Tzachor wanted Samurai to be 100 percent translation of Shinkenger but Haim Saban stepped in and hired James Bates to make it 95 Shinkenger as dubbed by 4Kids and 5 percent MMPR redux For me, Samurai suffers because of the attempt to shove MMPR nostalgia into it, so it's the one instance where I wish Tzachor had been able to go full dub. Agreed ,actually If you look at samurai solely as a power ranger season and not a shinkenger adaptation it is pretty good and the issues basically reside in individual scene or character and not the whole show, Xandred while not having a lot of character seemed almost the most invincible villain in a long time,Serrator who played second fiddle to the big bad for the most part in second season could've easily been the main villain as his end game was pretty interesting and intense. Rangers while pretty stereotypical ,still had personalities and Lauren was all and all awesome. Most of the problems of samurai lied in as you said making it an mmpr redux, making rangers almost slaves to Shiba house(similar to MMPR only having juice bar) was a bad move and made previous samurai teams as douche bag.Kevin's dedication often make him treat others badly ,Jayden worship, rejecting Lauren as team leader, Mentor G being a few of the bad and some time highly annoying stuff.
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Post by purplecreator on Oct 10, 2020 22:45:29 GMT -5
I hated Victor Vincent because of one line he said: "I have a life or death question: How do I become more popular than the Power Rangers?" Talk about an over inflated ego! Not to mention his obsession with being loved & worshipped like some god!
I liked how Samurai was an Americanized Shinkenger with some different things thrown in. It's similar to what I'm doing with Fossil Surge. I've changed a lot of things and added stuff. Like an original scene in the seventh episode.
Megaforce's story lines, monster names, finisher names, etc. were bad. Same with Super. So many stories, monsters & zord formations they could have used and didn't. Plus, many people agree that the so-called "Legendary Battle" that lasted as long as past WWE Diva matches was the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by digificwriter on Oct 11, 2020 1:13:16 GMT -5
Agreed ,actually If you look at samurai solely as a power ranger season and not a shinkenger adaptation it is pretty good and the issues basically reside in individual scene or character and not the whole show, Xandred while not having a lot of character seemed almost the most invincible villain in a long time,Serrator who played second fiddle to the big bad for the most part in second season could've easily been the main villain as his end game was pretty interesting and intense. Rangers while pretty stereotypical ,still had personalities and Lauren was all and all awesome. Most of the problems of samurai lied in as you said making it an mmpr redux, making rangers almost slaves to Shiba house(similar to MMPR only having juice bar) was a bad move and made previous samurai teams as douche bag.Kevin's dedication often make him treat others badly ,Jayden worship, rejecting Lauren as team leader, Mentor G being a few of the bad and some time highly annoying stuff. Since I don't pay attention to or care about Sentai, Samurai being mostly a dub of Shinkenger doesn't have any impact on me. As far as the MMPR elements go, what I was referring to was the forced inclusion of Bulk, the creation of Spike as a facile attempt to replace and replicate the Bulk and Skull tandem, and the remix of the MMPR theme. Everything else about Samurai works for me and several of its characters even rank amongst my favorite Rangers and villains (Lauren and Jayden make my list of favorite Red Rangers, Antonio makes my list of favorite Sixth Rangers, Emily makes my list of favorite Yellow Rangers, and Dayu, Dekker, and Serrator make my list of favorite villains).
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