|
Post by digificwriter on Oct 21, 2020 14:05:45 GMT -5
A licensing agreement is not the same thing as rights ownership.
Hasbro is the sole rights owner of the Power Rangers IP, but has thus far opted to continue a years-long licensing agreement originally signed between Toei and Saban Entertainment and that was transferred along with the ownership rights to the IP upon the sale of said IP by Haim Saban to Disney, from Disney to Haim Saban, and Haim Saban to Hasbro.
Giving Toei a "Created By" credit does not mean that the company has any legal claim to ownership of the Power Rangers IP.
Regarding Toei having vetoed a Power Rangers animated series, there were financial means by which Disney could have bypassed that veto had they actually wanted to seriously pursue such a project.
|
|
|
Post by BradyMcKnight on Oct 21, 2020 15:41:44 GMT -5
Interesting...very interesting. If they announce a mature Power Rangers series on CW I might just pass out lol CW shows are mature? According to everybody in Rangercrew circa 2013 lmao.
|
|
|
Post by crossranger on Oct 21, 2020 18:10:30 GMT -5
A licensing agreement is not the same thing as rights ownership. Hasbro is the sole rights owner of the Power Rangers IP, but has thus far opted to continue a years-long licensing agreement originally signed between Toei and Saban Entertainment and that was transferred along with the ownership rights to the IP upon the sale of said IP by Haim Saban to Disney, from Disney to Haim Saban, and Haim Saban to Hasbro. Giving Toei a "Created By" credit does not mean that the company has any legal claim to ownership of the Power Rangers IP. Regarding Toei having vetoed a Power Rangers animated series, there were financial means by which Disney could have bypassed that veto had they actually wanted to seriously pursue such a project. And I tell you, yes, Toei has rights of ownership. It have a legal claim, and Toei is legally, in part, owner of Power Rangers. Get it? For creating Power Rangers from Zyuranger, which are designs made by Toei. And that's the point. Toei is co-owner of Power Rangers. It's what Disney discovered horrifically: they are not the sole owners of Power Rangers. They have to deal with Toei. And MMPR? That's where most of the money goes: MMPR is like, most of the stuff non-fans know about Power Rangers. Believing Hasbro has the IP and licensing agreement, but believing it can left Toei without a paychech or a creative iis stupid. Believing Hasbro can make a Tokusatsu Ga Ga Ga and plaster a "Power Rangers" name on it, doesn't mean it have not to pay money to Toei. THEY HAVE. Look, Disney bought Star Wars and Lucasfilm. They have the legal right to do whatever they want with Star Wars (as we saw in the sequel trilogy). But still, they have to pay Lucas for the use of Luke, Leia, Han, and for other characters. That's the point. Selling the IP, it doesnt mean it have not to pay.
|
|
|
Post by digificwriter on Oct 21, 2020 18:41:03 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying, but what you're saying is just flat-out wrong.
If a sports apparel company strikes a licensing agreement with, say, the New York Yankees, said sports apparel company does not suddenly own part of the New York Yankees, and the New York Yankees are not obligated to renew their licensing agreement with said sports apparel company if said licensing agreement is expiring.
The New York Yankees also have the legal right to terminate said licensing agreement for any reason.
As the licensor of Super Sentai to Saban Entertainment, Disney, Saban Brands, and Hasbro, Toei would have had guaranteed creative input, but each of those companies, as the licensee, would have been able to request that the licensing agreement with Toei be terminated.
Regarding Lucasfilm, George Lucas has not received a single penny from the Walt Disney Company beyond the $4 billion in cash and stocks that they paid him when he sold Lucasfilm and all of its IPs to them in 2012.
|
|
|
Post by Venusaur on Oct 22, 2020 14:31:30 GMT -5
So even Power Rangers 2017 which completely strips away all the Zyuranger elements away still had to credit Toei.
Something tells me no Hasbro can’t just make Power Rangers without Toei regardless if they any of the footage.
It’s like when Toonmakers tried to remake Sailor Moon from scratch, they still had to license the anime from Kodansha
|
|
|
Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 22, 2020 18:14:01 GMT -5
I still doubt they be breaking from toei.
|
|
|
Post by digificwriter on Oct 23, 2020 1:07:56 GMT -5
It’s like when Toonmakers tried to remake Sailor Moon from scratch, they still had to license the anime from Kodansha This is not even remotely close to being an equivalent situation, as the Power Rangers IP itself is 100% owned by Hasbro. Hasbro has no obligation to renew the licensing agreement with Toei that has heretofore facilitated and been part of the creative presentation of the Power Rangers IP, and Toei cannot legally compel them to do so. Hasbro also has no obligation to remain perpetually tethered to said licensing agreement, although they would need to negotiate a satisfactory 'out' with Toei in order to terminate it before it expires.
|
|
|
Post by Venusaur on Oct 23, 2020 6:47:43 GMT -5
It’s like when Toonmakers tried to remake Sailor Moon from scratch, they still had to license the anime from Kodansha This is not even remotely close to being an equivalent situation, as the Power Rangers IP itself is 100% owned by Hasbro. And your source on this is....?
|
|
|
Post by digificwriter on Oct 23, 2020 10:50:30 GMT -5
The only companies listed as holding copyrights for the Power Rangers IP anywhere are SCG Power Rangers LLC and Hasbro.
|
|
|
Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 23, 2020 16:15:36 GMT -5
I think we all just need to chill out. And see what really up with hasbro and toei. Once fury starts airing and we know it's schedule. Then I am sure we will know more on if hasbro sticking with them or not.
|
|
|
Post by crossranger on Oct 24, 2020 13:03:04 GMT -5
This is not even remotely close to being an equivalent situation, as the Power Rangers IP itself is 100% owned by Hasbro.
Hasbro has no obligation to renew the licensing agreement with Toei that has heretofore facilitated and been part of the creative presentation of the Power Rangers IP, and Toei cannot legally compel them to do so. Hasbro also has no obligation to remain perpetually tethered to said licensing agreement, although they would need to negotiate a satisfactory 'out' with Toei in order to terminate it before it expires. And I tell you, Hasbro is not 100% the owner of Power Rangers. Come on. If Disney would have been 100% owner of Power Rangers, we would have an animated series in 2001, no more live-action, and they never would sold the rights back to Saban. Disney found they didn't have the 100% of the rights of Power Rangers, just licensing agreement, and not sole creative input. Toei has to happen to create a new Power Rangers series. Therefore, they sold it again, and bought Marvel. Disney have the 100% of the rights of Marvel characters (except Spiderman in movies. They have sold those to Sony around the middle of the '90s, when Marvel broke) I dunno why it's so hard to understand. I guess the "non-kids" series from the guy of "The End of the Fxxxx World" have to be approved by Toei, if have to imply MMPR designs (which if the rumor is true, it involves time-travel to the '90s). And yet, the live-action, kids-friendly version can happen, and still being an adaptation of Sentai. Again, Toei.
|
|
|
Post by digificwriter on Oct 24, 2020 14:24:51 GMT -5
The Power Rangers trademark itself is held exclusively by SCG Power Rangers LLC and Hasbro, as are all copyrights associated with said trademark, while Toei holds the trademark and copyrights to the various Super Sentai series from which the various series copyrighted under the Power Rangers trademark have been adapted, and because Toei is the owner of the trademark and copyrights of said Super Sentai series, they have signed a Licensing Agreement with SCG Power Rangers LLC and Hasbro (and previously with Saban Entertainment, Disney/Jetix Productions, and Saban Brands) that has to date afforded them (Toei) an association with and degree of creative control over the various series that have been released and copyrighted under the Power Rangers trademark.
However, if that licensing agreement were to expire or be terminated (or was to have expired or terminated at any point previous to now), Toei's association with said seasons will cease to exist, while the Power Rangers trademark itself, as well as all copyrights associated with it, will still remain with - and be the exclusive property of - SCG Power Rangers LLC and Hasbro (or previously with Saban Entertainment, Disney/Jetix Productions, or Saban Brands).
|
|
|
Post by crossranger on Oct 25, 2020 1:47:39 GMT -5
I'll tell you, the IP is more than that. The trademark of the name is one thing, the IP is another, the licensing agreement is another. Toei have a hand in the IP. Only because Hasbro (and Saban and Disney before) have trademarked the name Power Rangers, that doesn't mean Toei doesn't have the part of Power Rangers, IN CONTENT: Designs, suit, mechas, bikes, whatever. You said it well at the beginning: "The Power Rangers trademark itself is held exclusively by SCG Power Rangers LLC and Hasbro, as are all copyrights associated with said trademark, while Toei holds the trademark and copyrights to the various Super Sentai series from which the various series copyrighted under the Power Rangers yadda-yadda-yadda". That means, correctly, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers is owned by Hasbro, but for being an adaptation of Zyuranger, Toei have owned part of it, because Toei designed everything from that season. In part, what's original from MMPR, are the names of the characters: Jason, Zach, ALpha 5, Zordon, etc. But the suits, the Megazord, Goldar, Rita's design, are all Japanese. Therefore, Toei owns them. Get it? It's true Hasbro has the name Power Rangers, but its empty: the designs are primarily from Toei, because most of the series (all of the series) are based in designs of Toei. Probably the only original thing Hasbro owned is the Titanium Ranger, The Spirit Rangers or some toys made by Bandai USA, but, if Toei and Hasbro end their partnership, Hasbro can't use the MMPR original suits, or Megazord, or Goldar, or.....Get it? It's not a problem of the name only, it's what it contains. I don't remember a lot about "derivative" designs, but, if in any case Hasbro want to make an MMPR reboot, with redesigns (like Power Rangers 2016, which are more like alien armors, but still looking like the Zyuranger suits) still have to pay Toei. They are Toei's designs, but with differences. I heard something about that in Star Trek, and why they redesigned the Enterprise in Discovery, to look "25% different" to avoid paying royalties, and for legal reasons (CBS and Paramount was splitted in that time, one having the TV rights, and the other having the movie rights), but that was proven false. A derivative design could be still a cause of paying royaties. I heard Marvel once made Rob Liefeld shut down his idea of "Agent America" because it was too similar to Captain America. Also: What Are Derivative Works Under Copyright Law?The situation you are describing is: Hasbro have to split from Toei, BUT HASBRO HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING FROM ZERO: suits, mechas, weapons, everything. AAAAAAAAAnd that's expensive. ALso, filming footage, stunt actors, choreographer. And yet, even if you don't call Toei for artistic input, I'm still don't sure Hasbro don't have to pay Toei for creating a new series. Besides, I wonder if Hasbro gonna take the risk of ending their partnership with Toei, leaving behind the Zyurangers designs. Common people care only for MMPR.
|
|
|
Post by digificwriter on Oct 25, 2020 9:07:10 GMT -5
Toei does not own any part of Power Rangers.
I've spent an exhaustive amount of time trying to explain why, but you just don't - or won't - get it, so I'm done.
|
|
|
Post by crossranger on Oct 25, 2020 9:16:17 GMT -5
And I tell you, Toei has a part of Power Rangers. HASBRO OWNS THE NAME. Geez, I'm done too. Moving on.
|
|