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Post by Venusaur on May 27, 2022 0:08:33 GMT -5
Neither do you. Do you really believe posting here "Don't say gay bill" or whatever is some kind of insight or just a pathetic attempt to look smart? I know your ability to read has been questionable but did you read the original post or not? The OP brought up backlash against Disney on gay issues. The Don't Say Gay Bill is relevant to the topic. This. Isn't. Difficult. Well you sure do have a habit of proving that to be true. Good god. In hindsight I've been really unfair to Xman. That dude is just over enthusiastic. You're like an illiterate bot who formed his AI based on Youtube comments.
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Post by crossranger on May 27, 2022 0:17:18 GMT -5
Neither do you. Do you really believe posting here "Don't say gay bill" or whatever is some kind of insight or just a pathetic attempt to look smart? I know your ability to read has been questionable but did you read the original post or not? The OP brought up backlash against Disney on gay issues. The Don't Say Gay Bill is relevant to the topic. This. Isn't. Difficult. Well you sure do have a habit of proving that to be true. Good god. In hindsight I've been really unfair to Xman. That dude is just over enthusiastic. You're like an illiterate bot who formed his AI based on Youtube comments. Posting the "Don't say gay" bill and interpret it are two different things. But I have to say, the debate is more than just "Disney have backlash on gay issues". Probably I was also too hard on you, but I don't think you're really helping anybody trying to shut down opinions that you think are not aligned with your beliefs. But I think this debate could be more than just two people shutting about how awful is PR about what series is the best or the worse, and also if Power Rangers have a genuine desire to portray LGBt fair, or just a trend that a lot of series are doing right now.
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Post by xman on May 27, 2022 0:24:35 GMT -5
Question!! What if Lupinranger vs. Patoranger gets Power Rangers adaptation in the form of a comic book series courtesy of Boom! Studios? Or an limited animated series on Amazon Prime or Hulu, etc.?
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Post by Venusaur on May 27, 2022 0:34:07 GMT -5
Question!! What if Lupinranger vs. Patoranger gets Power Rangers adaptation in the form of a comic book series courtesy of Boom! Studios? Or an limited animated series on Amazon Prime or Hulu, etc.? I don't see either happening. Boom! might reference it at some point. I could see that I suppose.
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Post by tatsuranger on May 27, 2022 3:05:20 GMT -5
(aka why real world politics SHOULDN'T and NEVER play a role in Power Rangers or Western Entertainment Oh boooy. It's always something when the neckbeards try to talk about social issues. )Hot take. No it shouldn't. Not because of the cop thing (which this fandom largely seems utterly clueless on the issue) but because it looks really stupid. Oof. Since its plain as day you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about. Let me break it down for you Florida introduced bill HB 1557 Parental Rights in Education (popularized as Don't Say Bill)https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=76545 Which, among other things, restricts classroom discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity. Which is of course purposely vague as hell. What does that even mean? Contrary to popular right wing nutjobs beliefs no 3rd classroom is teaching kids about gay sex or lesbian scissorings. Some of interpreted that it wouldn't allow a student to come out to a teacher they trusted without a parent being notified (which depending on the parent can be very bad) or that a gay teacher would not be allowed to even mention their same sex partner (when straight teachers mention their spouses all the time) Not helping that when Florida lawmakers tried to pass amendments to make the bill seem less LGBTQ targeted and a general restriction on human sexuality and sexual activity. That didn't pass. www.wfla.com/news/politics/florida-dont-say-gay-bill-could-become-dont-say-sex/Hmmmm. I wonder why that is? It's almost like the bill was indeed targeting LGBTQ people. 😮 But then it gets out that Disney had actually donated money to a lot of the politicians backing this bill wdwnt.com/2022/02/disney-donates-to-sponsors-of-dont-say-gay-bill-despite-marketing-for-inclusion/Which, yeah, sounds absolutely hypocritical of Disney given they'll sell Pride merch and occasionally include LGBT characters in their films (the fact those scenes are so insignificant and easy to remove for less accepting foreign markets is whole other matter) So naturally several Disney employees, many of them LGBTQ, protest the hypocrisy of their company. Disney apologizes and pauses all political donations to Florida www.cnbc.com/2022/03/11/disney-pauses-political-donations-in-florida-over-dont-say-gay-bill-backlash.htmlAnd because the right wing had proven time and time again the party has devolved to batshit insane brain dead bigoted lunatics they immediately start screaming about Disney grooming children because.....they wont support a bill that many of their employees feels discriminated by? Yes, yes it does. Exposed to what? Other people? These are the same parents that will indoctrinate their children in their religion but heaven forbid little Timmy finds out some kids have two moms!!!! False equivalences. The weapon of the idiot! Power Rangers has CONSTANTLY depicted relationships. Incredibly chaste relationships but relationships all the same. There is no pro-gay message. They don't go into some long discussion about marriage equality or gay rights. Izzy is just given a girl she likes. Literally no different than any of the dozens and dozens of straight relationships. The Police are a whole other issue. When we have police killing people with mental disabilities namiillinois.org/half-people-killed-police-disability-report/When there's a huge issue of officers killing unarmed black people, killing black people in their sleep, killing black people for looking...suspicious despite being completely harmless www.nytimes.com/article/who-was-elijah-mcclain.htmlMaybe. JUST. MAYBE its not the best idea in the world to have your kids toy commercial glorify police officers. When racial profiling abuse of power and brutality are clear issues that need to be address. TL:DR - Y'all are fucking frustrating in how clueless you all are. Wow. talk about pushing a false narrative. Obviously you didn't read the bill, just people's false narrative about it. It’s not the don’t say gay bill. It’s the dont teach kindergartners about sexual orientation bill. (BTW it covers straight relationships, too) Just show me the proof that it hard-core discriminates against gay people, plain and simple. Why do you feel that it's important that teachers, who are supposed to teach kids reading and writing, flaunt their sexuality to their students? That's not their job. Gotcha, every single parent who don't want their child exposed to LGBTQ content at a very young age is a homophobic bigot. Words cannot explain how pathetic that is. Even if we don't like how some parents teach their kids about their religion, at the end of the day, its their kids and what authority do YOU have to tell them how they raise their kids is wrong? Also, it does look like you wanna push the narrative that all cops are evil white men that shoot blacks for fun..facts and common sense say otherwise. www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/www.maciverinstitute.com/2021/04/the-truth-about-police-shootings-in-america/Obviously, you forgot that we aren't the target audience. Little kids are the target audience and they weren't triggered over Izzy having a girlfriend. What little kid would be triggered over the concept of Police Power Rangers? Can you answer that?
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Post by Venusaur on May 27, 2022 7:59:50 GMT -5
It’s not the don’t say gay bill. It’s the dont teach kindergartners about sexual orientation bill. (BTW it covers straight relationships, too) It's like you didn't read a single word I said. I covered all of this so I'm not going to repeat myself You mean like when I pointed out that when lawmakers TRIED to amend the bill that didn't go through? Did I say that? Proving again and again you didn't read what I said and just want to spew out the same right wing nutjob regurgitated crap Correct. We're talking about people. Not sex. Its pretty obvious you don't actually think LGBTQ people are people. Not what I said. But nuance isn't your thing. Oh boy. Couple things 1. Even if we took this at face value it does not in fact change my point that police brutality is an issue. Imagine that. In 2021 234 white people were shot to death by police and 139 black people were shot to death by police. If we took that and gave absolutely no thought to it (as its obvious you did) then yeah more white people were shot BUUUUT then we remember that white people make up 76 percent of the US and black people only make up 13 percent www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221 Now I know this is going to be hard for you to understand so stay with me. If there are nearly 6 times as many white people as there are black people but more than half as many black people were shot to death by police what does that mean? Hint: It means statistically a black person is far more likely to be shot to death by a police officer than a white person Wow really? You don't say? Did I say it would be? I swear to God the reading comprehension of this forum overall is proof that the education system has failed.
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Post by crossranger on May 27, 2022 9:46:35 GMT -5
Do you want me to moderate this debate? This seems fun....
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on May 27, 2022 12:08:32 GMT -5
Gotcha, every single parent who don't want their child exposed to LGBTQ content at a very young age is a homophobic bigot. Yes, wanting to hide anything gay from your kid is homophobic. It's feeding into the narrative that LGBTQ+ people are a dangerous thing for children. It's feeding into the idea that it's not normal or it's wrong. If it's handled just as child-friendly as the countless straight relationships we've had in PR, why (outside of homophobia) would it be a problem to see a gay couple? That wasn't what was said. Just to be clear, it is wrong to raise your kids with homophobic ideas, but nobody was trying to have any "authority" over anyone else.
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Post by tatsuranger on May 27, 2022 13:09:16 GMT -5
It’s not the don’t say gay bill. It’s the dont teach kindergartners about sexual orientation bill. (BTW it covers straight relationships, too) It's like you didn't read a single word I said. I covered all of this so I'm not going to repeat myself You mean like when I pointed out that when lawmakers TRIED to amend the bill that didn't go through? Did I say that? Proving again and again you didn't read what I said and just want to spew out the same right wing nutjob regurgitated crap Correct. We're talking about people. Not sex. Its pretty obvious you don't actually think LGBTQ people are people. Not what I said. But nuance isn't your thing. Oh boy. Couple things 1. Even if we took this at face value it does not in fact change my point that police brutality is an issue. Imagine that. In 2021 234 white people were shot to death by police and 139 black people were shot to death by police. If we took that and gave absolutely no thought to it (as its obvious you did) then yeah more white people were shot BUUUUT then we remember that white people make up 76 percent of the US and black people only make up 13 percent www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045221 Now I know this is going to be hard for you to understand so stay with me. If there are nearly 6 times as many white people as there are black people but more than half as many black people were shot to death by police what does that mean? Hint: It means statistically a black person is far more likely to be shot to death by a police officer than a white person Wow really? You don't say? Did I say it would be? I swear to God the reading comprehension of this forum overall is proof that the education system has failed. Obviously it's you who has the problem with reading. I asked for an example of LGBTQ discrimination when that bill got passed and you didn't, you just posted a link to someone that has nothing to do with what I said. How does a plan to change the words from "sexual orientation or gender identity" to "human sexuality or sexual activity" equal discrimination against LGBTQ people? Uhh....yes you basically did, otherwise why say that "MAYBE it's not the best idea in the world to have you kids toy commercial glorify police officers" why even type that when in reality that's a non-issue to little kids?
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Post by crossranger on May 27, 2022 16:22:01 GMT -5
powerkamensentai, with all due respect, that wasn't all tasuranger said either. And, come on, a lot of people are saying in some way, to have authority over education in the US. There is no middle ground right now. And there is no debate.
And again, with all due respect, it's not even there are like countless of relationships in Power Rangers that could be taken as referents, beyond Tommy/Kim or Tommy/Kat. Or the Ninja Steel one. Or could be treated like a involuntarily toxic relationship like Ravi and Roxy in Beast Morphers.
There are things like sexuality and gender that are more complex than just leave it to school teachers. Specially in times like now.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on May 27, 2022 18:11:01 GMT -5
powerkamensentai, with all due respect, that wasn't all tasuranger said either. And, come on, a lot of people are saying in some way, to have authority over education in the US. There is no middle ground right now. And there is no debate. I wasn't saying that as if he was saying it, I was just clarifying my view in case it got misinterpreted by the way I worded it. It's not about authority, or saying who can raise their kids what way, homophobia is homophobia. People treating gay people as something that should be hidden from kids is homophobia. But... that's not true. Every team since Samurai has had very clear romantic plots. Mike and Emily, Jake clearly displayed a crush on Gia all through Megaforce and they got together at the end, same with Tyler and Shelby plus all the girls Chase flirted with, Calvin and Hayley were together from the start and got several episodes focusing on their relationship, Zoey and Nate had a whole "Forbidden romance" angle there for a while, plus Ravi and Roxy. Even Dino Fury seems to be slowly hinting at an Amelia and Ollie pairing, but that's yet to be confirmed. The modern era of the show has had a ton of straight romances. Most of them even got at least a cheek kiss. Even before that. Theo asked Lily out in the last episode on Jungle Fury, Jen and Wes were allowed to shout out their love for each other at the end of Time Force and Jen was going to marry Alex, Danny in Wild Force had a love interest, Jack left SPD to be with his love interest, Tyzonn had a love interest. I'm pretty sure Chad was also in love with a mermaid at one point. Joel spent the entire season flirting with Fairweather. There's romance in almost every season of Power Rangers. Not all of them resulted in full-on relationships, but the romance was very clearly laid out and not subtle at all. So the question remains. If all of that romance is just fine for Power Rangers, what would be the issue with that exact same level of romance, just with someone who happened to be gay? What possible reason could people have for not wanting their kids to see it, outside of homophobia? I mean no disrespect in any of this, but it's not adding up.
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Post by crossranger on May 27, 2022 18:44:11 GMT -5
Oh, I think homophobia is still homophobia. But sometimes the angle or how they treat the relationships is less in the romantic side, and more on the "let's add something". I dunno how to refrain it. I think it's like, 90 % of the relationships you said, I didn't remember them. Sure, I remember Tyzonn losing his wife or GF, but I think it was more about that the character. Also, I remember Jack quitting SPD, but I think it was because he felt he was not cut for being an officer, not just for the romance. It was more, that Jack was pushed into being SPD Red Ranger, almost he was blackmailed by Cruger, and now he felt he did his part. But the romance? Just some for adding flavor. With most of the actual TV series, there is this thing, about how LGBT the characters are the sexuality. It's almost like they were nothing more than that. It's good they treat Izzy as something more than just "the butch lesbian". But she's still, or has some stereotypical traits. I'm surely remember Chase. And I didn't forget the boring couple of Ninja Steel. Let me refrain it again. I think I don't remember a lot of personality traits, beyond of being a couple. Hey, if I remember correctly, Danny from Wild Force dropped the GF just to run with Max. That's, implied they were more than something? Kelsey was pretty much flirty with that astronaut girl in Lightspeed Rescue. Heck, I think she ws the one that going to train Chad into talking with girls.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on May 27, 2022 19:19:18 GMT -5
With most of the actual TV series, there is this thing, about how LGBT the characters are the sexuality. It's almost like they were nothing more than that. It's good they treat Izzy as something more than just "the butch lesbian". But she's still, or has some stereotypical traits. I'm understanding where you're coming from, because I used to think about stereotypes like that, because I know they can be harmful sometimes. But you also have to avoid giving them too much power. A girl can like sports and not wear dresses and be gay, they shouldn't be looked down on for that just because it's a stereotype. Izzy is a good character and she's breaking new ground in Power Rangers. She shouldn't have points taken away because she fits into a box people automatically assume for lesbians. A lot of young girls could see themselves in her character and that's a good thing. Just because some shows do, in your opinion, a bad job with LGBTQ characters, that doesn't mean everyone should give up on good representation. It's possible for Power Rangers, Izzy and Fern are proof of that. Those examples were brought up to show how Power Rangers treats all relationships, and the question is what would be the problem with showing an LGBTQ+ relationship like that? Why is that a problem for kids to see?
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Post by crossranger on May 27, 2022 19:54:08 GMT -5
It's not a problem to me. But I think she's still have traits of those stereotypes and, people believing they are helping with "representation" just because there are characters or people with those traits, didn't....help actually. It's hard to define about representation. But most of the time, at least, it's a subjective opinion, it's not necessary character that influence or represent people has to be exactly like that. LGBT characters has to represent andinfluence LGBT people. Minorities characters has to influece or represent minorities.... Let me gave you an example: I'm Latino, and my favorite character is Peter Parker/Spiderman. but I'm not big fan of Miles Morales right now. I liked in Into the Spiderverse, but in comics? Nah. I should like it, even if he's Latino, but I don't think,in general, he's an interesting character. Not in the way Peter Parker is or was, comics, animated series or movies. Of course, I'm not lesbian, and I cannot talk if Izzy can or cannot influence people, or just breaks new ground. In general, I don't think she's that of an interesting character. Of course, it's subjective. If Amelia, which I could consider a more interesting character, could be the one interested in girls, probably it would be more interesting in general. Probably, I don't think I'm taking point of nobody, just adding to other and see how it's going.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on May 27, 2022 20:26:51 GMT -5
It's not a problem to me. But I think she's still have traits of those stereotypes and, people believing they are helping with "representation" just because there are characters or people with those traits, didn't....help actually. It's hard to define about representation. But most of the time, at least, it's a subjective opinion, it's not necessary character that influence or represent people has to be exactly like that. Of course not everyone has to be like that, but that's ignoring the point. Maybe it's a "stereotype", but it's not harmful or disrespectful. She doesn't have to be like that, but there's nothing wrong with the fact that she is. People like Izzy exist for real and some young girls might connect with the character because they see themselves. That doesn't mean everyone will have to, everyone has their own opinions. But it's not really fair to say she's not helping with representation. But, we've gotten very off track of what the original point was.
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