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Post by BradyMcKnight on Sept 9, 2021 14:29:50 GMT -5
Dimensions in Danger:
Length: 1 episode. (with a little bit of build up in the previous one)
Villain: A random MOTW.
Crossover elements in the plot: Bupkis
Returning Ranger Role: Most of them spent the entire episode asleep.
Team-Up Fight Scene: Blink and you’ll miss it.
Giant Villain Defeated By: Their little hip blasters
Fan Reaction: “Awesome. Incredible. A perfect culmination of 25 years of Power Rangers.”
vs
Grid Connection:
Length: 3 episodes (with 3 episodes of build-up)
Villain: A PR Fans wet dream of Goldar, Sledge and Venjix together.
Crossover Plot Elements: Venjix captures Keeper and interrogates him on how to build a Dino Zord. Getting Keeper’s staff back is a major goal. Grid Battleforce uses their Morph X to repower the Dino Chargers of the Energem-less DC Rangers.
Returning Ranger Role: The Dino Charge Rangers are imperative to the battle. Jason, while his role is smaller, instantly takes on a leadership role to save everyone.
Team-Up Fight Scenes: There are battles all throughout. The first one even has a full Dino Charge morph sequences. Three different teams combine their team blaster into one super blaster.
Giant Villain Defeated By: A Dino Charge/Beast Morphers zord combo alongside the DT and MMPR Megazords.
Fan Reaction: “Weak, disappointing, a big let down.”
Y’all…make it make sense.
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Post by Venusaur on Sept 9, 2021 15:14:04 GMT -5
I swear I remember Dimensions in Danger getting a lot of hate for being a Tommy wankfest.
Anyways both are honestly kind of terrible like they’re just structurally bad. But Dimensions in Danger didn’t take a hot fire piss on the franchise legacy by using clips from past seasons and redubbing them with horrendously bad voice acting that has plagued this franchise since it moved to New Zealand in 2002. So I hate Ninja Steel’s multi season crossover slightly less.
Also I feel like there was more build up to the Dino Team up. Fans were talking about it since Dino Charge was announced in 2015 and we got that.
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Post by mnikolic on Sept 9, 2021 16:41:48 GMT -5
In terms of plot requirement for the returning Rangers, I'd say Dimensions in Danger was better since they each had at least a line in their quick conversation in Draven's cloning factory. We also get to see ALL Rangers instant-morph. Grid Connection is weaker in that department since we're missing 9 veteran Ranger cast members - the 4 MM Rangers, 3 DT Rangers and the 2 DC Rangers appear only in their morphed form.
DiD is also stronger in intorducing new tech (Master Morpher) - which doesn't really need explanation since it's Tommy who gets to use it, plus it was bound to happen one day that we would get to see him using all of his Ranger forms in one go-go. The Falconzord cameo doesn't need explanation either since the only thing any of the MM S3 Rangers would need to do is find the Ninja Temple, quick-talk to Ninjor and done deal. Grid Connection is weaker in that area as well - The Biozords were destoryed, but Tommy and Anton could've easily re-created them since Anton has the money and the rest is up to Tommy, Anton, the Morphing Masters (as per Dino Fury) and maybe Time Force for some Zord software upgrades or something. Since they bothered voicing some of the returning Rangers, they could have thrown in a line about it. But the MMPR Dinozords are a different thing since they were destroyed in their Thunderzord forms during their last Thunder Megazord combination. But since even Keeper is full of surprises that he keeps pulling out of nowhere, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave a hand as well in the restoration of the original Dinozords. Again, a line could have cleared up some things.
DiD also features the veterans already having their powers. GC does not - it's Devin who gives the Tyrannosaurus coin back to Jason. Plus the whole thing about Devin asking the grid to help out was unnecessarry - Grid Battleforce already had Ranger tech of previous teams so ANYONE should be just a Viber-ish call away. Second, if Grid Battlefroce had their morpehrs and other stuff, they probably had their phone numbers and/or links to their social media profiles saved somewhere anyway. Third - they also hed Wes's little interdimensional device introduced in DiD. Yeah, great writing guys - way to get the leader of ther current team to come out as super lazy.
My vote goes to Dimensions in Danger. Despite it being too short (it should have been a two-parter), it did a lot of things right. Even the Ninja Steel rangers try to get the arrows instead of just asking a sci-fi computer effect to help them out.
But looking from the other side - the Dino team-up did have more build-up. I have to give it a plus there. And it was a good build-up - the episode description for the episode where the DC Rangers just show up - they're not even mentioned in it. That's an additional plus for the writers in my book.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 9, 2021 19:50:37 GMT -5
For me from these 2 team ups there was good and bad elements. But I still enjoyed these two team ups way more then legendary battle. That for me was the worst of any teamups.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 9, 2021 21:29:08 GMT -5
Grid Connection was confusingly bad. That said, the arc leading up to it was good so that kind of helps me put it above DiD. My opinion of DiD has went down a ton, I'd be lying if I said the hype didn't get ahold of me at the time of it's release. It does have a couple of cool aspects, but it really wastes them and kinda just sucks overall. But Grid Connection is just bad in ways that don't even make sense. Especially in regards to Dino Thunder.
You have one of the Dino Thunder ranger actors who's not only willing to come back, would be excited to, and instead you choose to have no Dino Thunder rangers at all.
You have two villain actors from Dino Thunder appear as unrelated characters in different episodes, and yet still have no actual representation to Dino Thunder.
So, fine. No Dino Thunder representation at all, I guess that means you can put all the focus on who we do have returning, like Jason, who we haven't seen in over 10 years, fighting (a worse version of) Goldar, one of the iconic PR villains.
Instead, they butcher the hell out of the Dino War footage. They cut the scene where the MMPR rangers take on New-Goldar entirely, and instead show the Dino Thunder Rangers, who again, have no returning actors, only poor dubbing, fighting Snide, a villain who they have no history with at all. It just makes no sense at all.
But, as I said before, it has some really good buildup episodes leading up to it, it doesn't just come out of nowhere like DiD, the new team actually interacts with the old teams more. It does have a much more epic feeling to it overall. I like the whole arc as a whole, it just has a very weak ending. Dimensions in Danger is just all around weak.
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Post by xman on Sept 10, 2021 12:06:26 GMT -5
Grid Connection was confusingly bad. That said, the arc leading up to it was good so that kind of helps me put it above DiD. My opinion of DiD has went down a ton, I'd be lying if I said the hype didn't get ahold of me at the time of it's release. It does have a couple of cool aspects, but it really wastes them and kinda just sucks overall. But Grid Connection is just bad in ways that don't even make sense. Especially in regards to Dino Thunder. You have one of the Dino Thunder ranger actors who's not only willing to come back, would be excited to, and instead you choose to have no Dino Thunder rangers at all. You have two villain actors from Dino Thunder appear as unrelated characters in different episodes, and yet still have no actual representation to Dino Thunder. So, fine. No Dino Thunder representation at all, I guess that means you can put all the focus on who we do have returning, like Jason, who we haven't seen in over 10 years, fighting (a worse version of) Goldar, one of the iconic PR villains. Instead, they butcher the hell out of the Dino War footage. They cut the scene where the MMPR rangers take on New-Goldar entirely, and instead show the Dino Thunder Rangers, who again, have no returning actors, only poor dubbing, fighting Snide, a villain who they have no history with at all. It just makes no sense at all. But, as I said before, it has some really good buildup episodes leading up to it, it doesn't just come out of nowhere like DiD, the new team actually interacts with the old teams more. It does have a much more epic feeling to it overall. I like the whole arc as a whole, it just has a very weak ending. Dimensions in Danger is just all around weak. What the hell is so confusingly bad about "Grid Connection?!" It's just a poorly-paced adaptation of the third act from "Kyoryuger VS Go-Busters" which was also not a very good movie in my opinion. I mean, Toei just wanted to commemorate all the anniversaries of Zyuranger and Abaranger into one God-damn Sentai VS movie with the Kyoryugers and the Go-Busters. But in doing so, they just screwed the main heroes of Go-Busters from having any ounce of screen time in their own movie crossover with Daigo and friends. And to make matters worse, they hired Riku Sanjou of all people. While he is credited for being the head-writer of Kyoryuger, Kamen Rider W, Drive and for being the secondary writer of Kamen Rider Fourze, Sanjou-san has openly-admitted in his one of his interviews that he is terrible at writing a large number of an assembled cast. So, yeah, "Kyoryuger VS Go-Busters" was an absolute trainwreck. "Grid Connection" just suffered for being "okay" by some fans because it was just burning out Sentai footages from a movie that is like six years old and is completely out-of-place with all the other Sentai footage from Go-Busters that were later used in Beast Morphers. At least Power Rangers Zeo was trying to be creative with adapting the Sentai footage to from "Ohranger VS Kakuranger" with the leftover Sentai footage from Ohranger's TV show just so they can establish continuity in Zeo's TV storyline. But with this?! I really don't know what else to say but, "y'all got what you wanted, fans!! You wanted Kyoryuger VS Go-Busters to be adapted into Power Rangers?! Well, here you go. Just not what you expected it to be!!!"Dimensions in Danger was okay. Not perfect, but at least they only adapted some Sentai footages from Ninninger's summer movie, in which Lord Dayvon's monster suit originated from and he was the main villain in that movie. Lucky for us, we didn't get a Power Rangers adaptation of Toqger, just yet.
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Post by Venusaur on Sept 10, 2021 16:16:28 GMT -5
Grid Connection was confusingly bad. That said, the arc leading up to it was good so that kind of helps me put it above DiD. My opinion of DiD has went down a ton, I'd be lying if I said the hype didn't get ahold of me at the time of it's release. It does have a couple of cool aspects, but it really wastes them and kinda just sucks overall. But Grid Connection is just bad in ways that don't even make sense. Especially in regards to Dino Thunder. You have one of the Dino Thunder ranger actors who's not only willing to come back, would be excited to, and instead you choose to have no Dino Thunder rangers at all. You have two villain actors from Dino Thunder appear as unrelated characters in different episodes, and yet still have no actual representation to Dino Thunder. So, fine. No Dino Thunder representation at all, I guess that means you can put all the focus on who we do have returning, like Jason, who we haven't seen in over 10 years, fighting (a worse version of) Goldar, one of the iconic PR villains. Instead, they butcher the hell out of the Dino War footage. They cut the scene where the MMPR rangers take on New-Goldar entirely, and instead show the Dino Thunder Rangers, who again, have no returning actors, only poor dubbing, fighting Snide, a villain who they have no history with at all. It just makes no sense at all. But, as I said before, it has some really good buildup episodes leading up to it, it doesn't just come out of nowhere like DiD, the new team actually interacts with the old teams more. It does have a much more epic feeling to it overall. I like the whole arc as a whole, it just has a very weak ending. Dimensions in Danger is just all around weak. What the hell is so confusingly bad about "Grid Connection?!" It's just a poorly-paced adaptation of the third act from "Kyoryuger VS Go-Busters" which was also not a very good movie in my opinion. I mean, Toei just wanted to commemorate all the anniversaries of Zyuranger and Abaranger into one God-damn Sentai VS movie with the Kyoryugers and the Go-Busters. But in doing so, they just screwed the main heroes of Go-Busters from having any ounce of screen time in their own movie crossover with Daigo and friends. And to make matters worse, they hired Riku Sanjou of all people. While he is credited for being the head-writer of Kyoryuger, Kamen Rider W, Drive and for being the secondary writer of Kamen Rider Fourze, Sanjou-san has openly-admitted in his one of his interviews that he is terrible at writing a large number of an assembled cast. So, yeah, "Kyoryuger VS Go-Busters" was an absolute trainwreck. "Grid Connection" just suffered for being "okay" by some fans because it was just burning out Sentai footages from a movie that is like six years old and is completely out-of-place with all the other Sentai footage from Go-Busters that were later used in Beast Morphers. At least Power Rangers Zeo was trying to be creative with adapting the Sentai footage to from "Ohranger VS Kakuranger" with the leftover Sentai footage from Ohranger's TV show just so they can establish continuity in Zeo's TV storyline. But with this?! I really don't know what else to say but, "y'all got what you wanted, fans!! You wanted Kyoryuger VS Go-Busters to be adapted into Power Rangers?! Well, here you go. Just not what you expected it to be!!!"Dimensions in Danger was okay. Not perfect, but at least they only adapted some Sentai footages from Ninninger's summer movie, in which Lord Dayvon's monster suit originated from and he was the main villain in that movie. Lucky for us, we didn't get a Power Rangers adaptation of Toqger, just yet. You really need to get back on your medication.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Sept 10, 2021 17:27:03 GMT -5
What the hell is so confusingly bad about "Grid Connection?!"Maybe reading more than that first sentence would help you figure that out.
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Post by xman on Sept 10, 2021 19:14:03 GMT -5
"Meh!!!" Anyways, this may seem a bit off-topic. But, do you think that Dino Fury will get a team-up episode next year. Or, is Hasbro just gonna skip it and wait for the 30th anniversary?
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Sept 11, 2021 0:06:00 GMT -5
They’ve mentioned that since they filmed this season mid-pandemic they weren’t able to fly in anyone from the US so probably no team-up. Just returning NZ based actors like Kelson Henderson.
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Post by mnikolic on Sept 11, 2021 1:59:54 GMT -5
They could still create a plot involving the charactersa of the NZ-based actors and have them call "their friends" for the final battle. Have the people voice their characters in a one-off already in-suit scene. Nobody needs a passport or a plain ticket or go trough the quarantine to do that. If they have the suits, it shouldn't be a problem. Since it wasn't in Grid Connection.
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Sept 11, 2021 3:00:34 GMT -5
But y’all just said you didn’t like that so why are you hoping they’d do that again?
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Sept 11, 2021 6:08:48 GMT -5
Would be nice to have a team up but with fury story we really don't need it. And technically we already have had mick return and fury tied back to other series with the masters so I good there. I rather have regular series to series team up again once we know what we doing after fury and have fury team if we get another show team with that team for a story.
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Post by mnikolic on Sept 11, 2021 13:26:45 GMT -5
But y’all just said you didn’t like that so why are you hoping they’d do that again? I'm not hoping it happens, I was just saying what they could do if they wanted to. After all, it's just business for them. It's easy for us to say what we want. But what (in this case) the production does is another thing, as showed with DiD and GC. Plus there is now the pandemic stuff preventing a full team-up to happen. However, I wouldn't be surprised if someone on the production team is really "hungry" for a team-up. So anything could happen. Bad decisions were done in the past and there's nothing stopping Hasbro from repeating the same mistakes if that takes them to make an extra buck or two.
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Post by xman on Sept 12, 2021 8:54:31 GMT -5
They’ve mentioned that since they filmed this season mid-pandemic they weren’t able to fly in anyone from the US so probably no team-up. Just returning NZ based actors like Kelson Henderson. Fine by me. At least it'll give Dino Fury a breath of fresh air without having to stop the main story halfway through the season just to do another obligatory modern-dat team-up episode with past Ranger teams for "fan-service."
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