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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 29, 2021 19:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by purplecreator on Apr 29, 2021 20:00:05 GMT -5
Ryu Commander is considered a Sixth Ranger-Type! Because the first nine are the main team. And he joins them as the Tenth/Sixth Ranger!
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 29, 2021 20:11:13 GMT -5
Plus, even the producer in charge of Planning and Production for the last decade was the one to confirm it. Says the biggest hint is that they usually bring the next major Robo along with them.
Bangai Heroes usually have a power source outside of the main team, like how Black Knight has a different source of power.
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Post by jikuken on Apr 29, 2021 20:57:40 GMT -5
Plus, even the producer in charge of Planning and Production for the last decade was the one to confirm it. Says the biggest hint is that they usually bring the next major Robo along with them. Bangai Heroes usually have a power source outside of the main team, like how Black Knight has a different source of power. Hi, I am the person who took the screen shot and posted it to Reddit. This is the game I took it from: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sentai.toei.gplay&hl=ja&gl=USYou can see it's by Toei. That image is official. Twokaiser is absent because it never includes the current sixth. Gokai Silver is on there twice because he had two "Ranger Keys" and this game is very centric on Gokaiger. (It's the only part of the game to include Gokai Silver Gold Mode, actually.) A few corrections, Shirakura did not produce Kyuranger. He did not confirm Ryu Commander to be Kyuranger's "sixth." It's his guesswork (you can see in the subsequent Tweet) based entirely off of an outdated metric: brings the second robot. Shirakura did produce the first two Sentai with a sixth ranger (Zyuranger and Dairanger), and in those days, Sentai only did two operable robots. Dragon Caesar and Won Tiger WERE the Jet Garuda and Titan Boy of their respective shows. This Tweet from 2018 makes it MORE evident that his Ryu Commander answer is strictly guesswork. Q: Mr. Shirakura, I have a question. Do you know who the real "sixth person" of the Kyuranger is? Ryu Commander? Houou Soldier? Koguma Skyblue? Or both? A: If the traditional "additional warrior" condition is to lead the "No. 2 Robo," I think it's Ryu Commander. There is better sources on Kyuranger's "sixth" and they ALL point to Houou Soldier. at-raku.com/hero/archives/showcase.htmlHouou Soldier got the "new hero" episode on Kyuranger's live shows. Granted, not ALL "new heroes" are "sixths," but all sixth heroes get the "new hero" episode. ameblo.jp/kamen-radiranger/entry-12338033780.htmlOn Toei's official Tokusatsu radio show, they directly called Houou Soldier the "sixth warrior." Before you discredit them, Hiroshi Kamiya is Shou Ronpou's seiyuu and he's even confirming the "12 is 6 doubled" reasoning. Kenichi Suzumura: “Something new, isn't it? That's how the sixth warrior is drawn.” Hiroshi Kamiya: “It 's amazing to increase to twelve people and increase like that.” Kenichi Suzumura: “If a good idea, now six I told you a glance of the warrior, not at all six I not a person.” Hiorshi Kamiya: “Double. twelfth person.” spice.eplus.jp/articles/181355Even this bit from the headwriter talking about behind the scenes heavily implies Houou Soldier is the "sixth." Though "additional warrior" officially means anyone outside the starting lineup, official companies do interchange "sixth warrior" with that term (that 2018 Shirakura Tweet being an example). Nobuhiro Mouri: I was really happy when Minami-kun was selected to play the role of Ootori Tsurugi/Houou Soldier. It was the first work I was in charge of as a main writer. It was decided that the additional warrior would be a red person, so as a double red with the main character, Shishi Red. So, since it is the twelfth character after having already set up eleven characters, I have to make the character as strong as the main character, Shishi Red, so I needed acting ability. I haven't been involved in casting very much, so when I heard that Minami-kun was decided, I thought that Tsurugi was okay with this. Keisuke Minami: I'm really happy if you say that. That's why I was able to appear in "Kyuranger" and I'm connected to it now, and I'm really grateful. I had watched the broadcast of "Kyuranger" from the beginning, but it was so gorgeous from the start that I thought that there would be no additional warriors. The timing when I heard that there was a story about an additional warrior was also the timing when I decided that I wanted to try tokusatsu again, and it was related to the fact that I came here with various thoughts in agreement. Because I'm thinking.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Apr 29, 2021 21:23:15 GMT -5
So what sites best/current news/rumors for sentai/toku/power Rangers these days.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 29, 2021 22:18:58 GMT -5
Again, I'll take the official image by Toei before some super basic game. Besides, my image was clearly at the beginning of Kiramager meaning they confirmed Ryu after the interviews that you brought up. Everything that makes Tsurugi a sixth would also make Sho a sixth. Including different morpher than main team, added after the main team is fully formed, a new mech (Which can add on other zords just like the dragon in zyuranger), Magiranger proved a mentor can also be a sixth. They could easily both be sixth like Go-On Wings or Beet and Stag. But the latest official announcement was Ryu.
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Post by jikuken on Apr 29, 2021 22:55:05 GMT -5
Again, I'll take the official image by Toei before some super basic game. Besides, my image was clearly at the beginning of Kiramager meaning they confirmed Ryu after the interviews that you brought up. Everything that makes Tsurugi a sixth would also make Sho a sixth. Including different morpher than main team, added after the main team is fully formed, a new mech (Which can add on other zords just like the dragon in zyuranger), Magiranger proved a mentor can also be a sixth. They could easily both be sixth like Go-On Wings or Beet and Stag. But the latest official announcement was Ryu. That "super basic game" is by Toei and has been recent since last week. Your image is a quickly cobbled-together piece with an ambiguous setup and has no sentimental value to Toei outside of a festival. It means nothing to words from people who worked on Kyuranger. Houou Soldier is the "sixth" Kyuranger because he represents the "sixth person" in its obvious nod to the five-person format, like Noel did for Lupat. And comparing Ryuteioh to Gouryujin is a false equivalency. Ryu Voyager is an auxiliary torso piece like Cube Gorilla; Dragon Caesar was marketed as the second robot with packaging like Daizyujin.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 29, 2021 23:28:17 GMT -5
A festival just as official as your game very few fans likely even know of. Your logic with Noel could just as easily apply to Shou being a sixth. Noel was the addition to the main 3 member teams, Shou was the addition to the main 9 member team. Ryu Voyager is more like Cube Rhino, where it mainly makes up the body of it's Mecha formation. GouRyujin can work on its own, and so can the Ryu Voyager, i.e. it's first fight was solo as well. Shou fits being a sixth and has been confirmed in official media. Houou has just as many traits that fit extra heroes as well.
When all's said and done, I'll go with the show over a game. I take it as serious as the message from Sidious in episode 9.
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Post by jikuken on Apr 30, 2021 0:49:12 GMT -5
A festival just as official as your game very few fans likely even know of. You do realize equating the poster's credibility to the app game and prioritizing recent material over previous ones undermines your argument, right? That screenshot came out a week ago, which means Toei still sees Houou Soldier as the "sixth" Kyuranger. The app game is more credible because it requires Toei puts effort into their groupings for a product they sell. The festival poster is ambiguous in its setup because the reds are inconsistent with their forms and Zyuoh Gorilla is treated as the "final mode." Not to mention the Tokyo Dome live shows and Hiroshi Kamiya confirmed Houou Soldier is the "sixth warrior." This "few fans likely even know of" crap is disingenuous. Being a lesser known source doesn't hurt its credibility. By "fans" you mean the western audience. This game is only sold in Japan and you need a VPN to access it. (Talk about singling out Sentai's country of origin's population.) Noel represents the "sixth person" because all six Lupat represent the standard five-person team. Kyuranger doubles the norm, so "ten comes after nine" is a non factor, not to mention Ryu Commander's VA confirmed the "twelve is six doubled" reasoning. What you think is irrelevant. It's a fact Ryu Voyager was treated like Gao Gorilla and Diesel Ressha in the toyline. Bandai didn't do auxiliary mecha back then; Dragon Caesar was treated as the "second robot" (i.e., Jet Garuda, Live Boxer) and had packaging like the complete Daizyujin as opposed to the lone Tyrannosaurus. Never happened. How does he go into the ergh-xtra pile when he's part of the main team? Extra heroes aren't just non-core members aside from the sixth, they serve outlier purposes from the main team. Where has the show confirm it's Ryu Commander? Citation or your "show over game" is bullshit.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 30, 2021 9:05:58 GMT -5
Hi, I am the person who took the screen shot and posted it to Reddit. Hey Jikuken, welcome to RC. Thanks for providing the source and coming here to be such a great and unbiased advocate for the true sixth rangers. You're awesome and keep up the good work! Again, I'll take the official image by Toei before some super basic game. Besides, my image was clearly at the beginning of Kiramager meaning they confirmed Ryu after the interviews that you brought up. Everything that makes Tsurugi a sixth would also make Sho a sixth. Including different morpher than main team, added after the main team is fully formed, a new mech (Which can add on other zords just like the dragon in zyuranger), Magiranger proved a mentor can also be a sixth. They could easily both be sixth like Go-On Wings or Beet and Stag. But the latest official announcement was Ryu. No offense, but did you even research what that "official image" is, or did you just see it and think "hey, I like this picture"? Cause I did the research and it's promoting an event that was canceled due to you-know-what. Which means that information is obsolete and can be easily dismissed. Please check the credibility of your sources next time. Your argument for Beet, Stag and Draco, based on sixth ranger criteria, also applies to Chopper, yet you exclude him for no other reason besides "Toei says so". If you insist on believing that, then by that logic you should stop considering the former 3 as sixth rangers since the official source from the official up-to-date app game generously provided by Jikuken shows what Toei consider the roster of sixth rangers up to Kirama Silver. I'm willing to acquiesce on Chopper's exclusion for now. If he doesn't get the recognition he deserves, then at least Beet and Stag won't either. Chopper deserves it way more than they do. As for Draco, I don't really mind either way, but the app suggests he's not. Phoenix is definitely a sixth though, since he has a Q2 debut, isn't immediately overshadowed by a new ranger in the following episode, isn't an existing character from the start and has a Henkei mecha. He has a lot more claim to the title than Draco.
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 30, 2021 11:57:07 GMT -5
www.deviantart.com/darkpaladin1990/journal/Why-Ryu-Commander-can-be-Kyuranger-s-Sixth-Ranger-838026823This article does a good job confirming it. There's just as much evidence towards Ryu being the sixth as Houou, however there have been more incidents confirming Ryu as the sixth. Also, if you contradict yourself with "While I don't like how Geki Chopper and Beet and Stag Buster aren't there" then you really don't have an opinion on the matter because you are selectively accepting the things that fit. 6th rangers can come earlier than Q2. Perfect examples are Kyo Gold, Starninger, and even Twokaizer now. And Sh, you're full of bull with that unbiased line about true sixth rangers. If you only count sixths when it fits your opinion, that is biased as well. I would be fine if they both were, because they both fit unique design, unique morpher, new mech, and addition to the team. However, their have been more instances w/ Ryu. And finally, the new pages say that Zox can summon weapons of auxiliary rangers. That doesn't mean all of the weapons will be sixth weapons. He could bring out the brachio staff, Dekamaster's sword, etc.
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Post by jikuken on Apr 30, 2021 12:28:06 GMT -5
I've read that article and critiqued it in the comments. I'm going to have to stop you right there. Houou Soldier has the live show "new hero" episode, is confirmed by Shou Ronpou's VA to be the sixth, is heavily implied to be the sixth by the writer, there's even another live show that pits him against past sixths, and not to mention there's the aforementioned app game. Ryu Commander has Shirakura's admitted guesswork from an outdated metric and an ambiguous one-note event poster. That's FIVE (Houou Soldier) against TWO (Ryu Commander).
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Post by sixthrangerfan on Apr 30, 2021 12:36:23 GMT -5
It's not just 2, it's 2 you accepted. Besides, Shou had an arc to become a ranger. Live shows have no say with the actual shows, if that were true in toku, Rider seasons would have an overabundance of riders. He also worked along side Lupin X in the crossover during the battle.
And you do realize that actors have literally no say on their characters right?
You do realize that if Beet and Stag are in that sixth live show, you've contradicted yourself, not that live shows even matter.
heavily implied isn't confirmation, and since live shows mean nothing, it's more like 2-2
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Post by Sh Ranger on Apr 30, 2021 12:49:53 GMT -5
www.deviantart.com/darkpaladin1990/journal/Why-Ryu-Commander-can-be-Kyuranger-s-Sixth-Ranger-838026823This article does a good job confirming it. There's just as much evidence towards Ryu being the sixth as Houou, however there have been more incidents confirming Ryu as the sixth. Also, if you contradict yourself with "While I don't like how Geki Chopper and Beet and Stag Buster aren't there" then you really don't have an opinion on the matter because you are selectively accepting the things that fit. 6th rangers can come earlier than Q2. Perfect examples are Kyo Gold, Starninger, and even Twokaizer now. And Sh, you're full of bull with that unbiased line about true sixth rangers. If you only count sixths when it fits your opinion, that is biased as well. I would be fine if they both were, because they both fit unique design, unique morpher, new mech, and addition to the team. However, their have been more instances w/ Ryu. And finally, the new pages say that Zox can summon weapons of auxiliary rangers. That doesn't mean all of the weapons will be sixth weapons. He could bring out the brachio staff, Dekamaster's sword, etc. Like I said, I don't mind either way about Draco, but Jikuken (under his reddit name) comments in that article his counterpoints which I suggest you read. Even the OP of that article admits that the picture was for an event that literally never happened. It confirms nothing. And just to be clear, since you seem to have misunderstood, I emphatically DON'T consider Beet and Stag as sixths, as I find the concept of a team of 5 having 2 sixths to be completely absurd. So their exclusion is a victory for me. Honestly if I made the rules, the only ranger I would personally add is Chopper. But I'm willing to take that punch until the possibility that Toei sees the error of their ways, which they might if Twokaizer convinces them to re-evaluate the criteria. I know sixths can debut in Q1, but they debut more often in Q2, so this works in Phoenix Soldier's favor. You only count sixths when it fits your opinion and if you read my post, you'll see that I never actually claimed to be unbiased. You're making this stuff up now. The reason why we can never agree on this subject is cause we are both very biased people with clashing beliefs. But Jikuken is unbiased so if you don't want to listen to me, you should at least listen to him.
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Post by jikuken on Apr 30, 2021 12:57:15 GMT -5
It's not just 2, it's 2 you accepted. I've accepted none of them. I've shown them to be flimsy sources in the face of stronger ones. Irrelevant. Live shows reflect the actual shows and are made by the official companies. Shou and Kotaro had no actual pairings. In the cockpit scene, Tsurugi interacted with Noel, and yes, that matters more because it was when they broke the pair-ups to have Lucky high five the Lupat Reds. Hiroshi Kamiya voiced Shou Ronpou and would have a better idea on where his character stands in the pecking order. This is backed by the writer's specific use of "additional warrior" when describing Houou Soldier. Reread my post: "Granted, not ALL 'new heroes' are 'sixths,' but all sixth heroes get the 'new hero' episode."
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