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Post by purplecreator on Feb 29, 2020 9:09:56 GMT -5
As someone who's been attacked and blamed for things he didn't do, I can understand why he didn't come forth & defend himself. And like he said. He mentioned the immense hate he got at a certain forum! Those guys wouldn't have listened! And I mentioned that RangerCrew is nicer in my comment!
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Feb 29, 2020 9:14:47 GMT -5
Yes, we're aware that you like Rangercrew better. Personal opinion of which website you like to use doesn't really have much to do with this situation.
All he did with waiting this long was waste time. If all of this was really true, he could've cleared his name WHEN IT HAPPENED. And he could've had the actors that were there back him up. Waiting this long made it so any evidence is long gone and it just looks like he's trying to repair his image so he can get back into cons.
If it comes out that his story is true? Sure. I feel sorry for the dude getting this much hate and I take back what I said. But as of now? It really doesn't look good for him.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Feb 29, 2020 10:51:14 GMT -5
^ I think you missed the point again. He specifically called out the other forum, and not RC, since they're the guys actually believing these rumors and harassing him for a crime he didn't commit. Advocating for RC is a good way to restore his faith in our fanbase. I'm sure if people asked his opinion, he would've explained what happened but nobody did and that's why it took 13 years of unwarranted abuse for him to address the issue. He, like the other actors, put his faith in us and the "fans" betrayed him. Whoever stole that banner is not a fan, just a criminal.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Feb 29, 2020 11:34:11 GMT -5
I sincerely don't believe that in the last 13 years nobody asked him for his story once. There are reports of people who worked at Morphicon asking him and just getting no response. And that honestly makes more sense than nobody asking him at all. And really, if this was causing him all this trouble for OVER A DECADE, it makes more sense to try and defend yourself instead of doing nothing. Once again, if he would've spoke up at the time, he would've had actors that were there to back his story up and defend him. What he's saying just doesn't add up.
And I know he called out the other forum specifically. I wasn't even on the forums at that time so I don't know what was said and how it went down. But I'm saying us giving our personal opinions on the forums in this thread is irrelevant to this situation. He's gonna have people who support him and people who don't no matter what happens.
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Post by Sh Ranger on Feb 29, 2020 12:02:56 GMT -5
^ Now that we have his recollection of the event, I guess people will judge whether or not they think he speaks true. If it's not him, then the real thief has eluded the law and will probably never be found after all this time. It just bothers me that they immediately jump to the same conclusion without considering the alternatives.
I think it's important for him to hear our personal opinions to give him solace that even though there are some who insist he stole it no matter what, there are guys like us at RC who either support him or are willing to at least hear him out before judging. After all, it was the actions of the fanbase that got him banned and made him feel so offended which means he values our opinions.
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Post by mnikolic on Feb 29, 2020 14:20:29 GMT -5
I won't be jumping to any conclusions, but without proof or witnesses, no-one can be proclaimed innocent or guilty. Samuel - I'm sure - knew this back in 2007 and knows it now. If there was someone that wanted him away from the fandom and from Power Morphicon or any other Ranger-centered convention, they used the moment when he looked in another direction and make sure the whole banner stealing story took off. Now I'm not defending anyone - not even the actor - because I don't know the facts. BUT: if he didn't have a way to proove he was innocent of the crime he was accused of and knows that he is, in fact, innocent - then why come out and have someone be after him just because that person feels like it?
In that case, it's always best to keep quiet about the whole thing until some time passes, move on with life and just respond to the accusations when the life becomes unbearable. It's why he said "Instead of defending myself I guess I should...do nothing, and just take it.". For him, it's come to the point of him not being able to live with the preassure and suspicion. However, I do agree on one thing: this whole banner stealing thing needs to be resolved and the sooner, the better.
Now I don't know about any of you, guys, but I'd give Samuel Benta benefit of the doubt here. He definitely has the right to tell his side of the story. It doesn't matter if it took 13 years for him to come out with his perspective on the whole thing - because it hapeened when it was meant to happen just like the incident happened in 2007.
If he was set up deliberately, it means someone wanted him out and thus, he should be able to proove he's innocent with ease... Well, maybe with some hard work after all. If he was set up accidentally, then the one who took the banner should come out and appoligize to him. Because it's just like I said before - if you've got no evidence that you're innocent of something you're being accused of and have no way of prooving you're not guilty, the best thing is to just keep quiet for a while. This looks like one of those cases to me. I've been in similar situations myself privately.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Feb 29, 2020 14:25:39 GMT -5
^ Now that we have his recollection of the event, I guess people will judge whether or not they think he speaks true. If it's not him, then the real thief has eluded the law and will probably never be found after all this time. It just bothers me that they immediately jump to the same conclusion without considering the alternatives. I think it's important for him to hear our personal opinions to give him solace that even though there are some who insist he stole it no matter what, there are guys like us at RC who either support him or are willing to at least hear him out before judging. After all, it was the actions of the fanbase that got him banned and made him feel so offended which means he values our opinions. That much we agree on. If somebody else really did steal it, we'll probably never know. I would just like to say that I don't think anybody is just jumping to the conclusion that he's guilty. They looked over the situation and formed their own opinion. At this point? I doubt we'll ever get 100% concrete evidence. Because, again, he waited way too long to speak up. At this point it's up to what you think based on the few things we know about the situation. Again, if he is innocent, I truly do hope it all gets cleared up somehow. But personally, I just don't think it looks good for him. And about the forums thing, he already doesn't like the other forum. I just don't think the rest of us need to turn this into a "Forum vs Forum" thing when it doesn't need to be.
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Post by zarius on Feb 29, 2020 16:56:03 GMT -5
Yeah, turning this into a forum civil war is'nt healthy, especially since some of us (myself included) actually hang out at both forums. I'm not about to declare a preference for one over the other. Both forums have their pros and cons.
Also, if we can, let's not try to turn the defence of the guy into some kind of radicalised cult movement in the vein of #Istandwithvic
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Post by purplecreator on Feb 29, 2020 19:09:27 GMT -5
Dude, hashtags don't work on here.
A lot of the people at the one forum were cruel to me there & on other forums. It's one of the reasons why I won't go back. That & I use Hotmail, which they forbid users of. I know that not all of the members there are jerks. But there are too many there that are. I prefer RC because here we follow that whole "Keep An Open Mind" & "Never Judge A Book By Its Cover" stuff we were told as kids.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Feb 29, 2020 20:02:38 GMT -5
Okay but... again, I don't think our personal opinions of the forums have anything to do with this situation. All that's doing is turning this into a "Forum vs. Forum" thing when it really doesn't need to be. This is about if Benta is innocent or not, not about which forum is better.
In my honest opinion, it's just adding another layer of drama to the whole thing.
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Post by crossranger on Feb 29, 2020 20:48:07 GMT -5
I don't gonna throw nobody under the bus, and I never blamed directly Benta for the whole banner incident, because the evidence were mostly "he says, I say", and I never attended Power Morphicon, but it seems weird he opened himself to this after 13 years of blaming. I recolect a version in some forum (I dunno if in the old RC forum) where somebody said he took the banner because it was damaged in an accident, but I can't recollect it. Besides, if the memory serves me, in the old forum, where Cmdr. Crayfish (Chris Funaro) was an usual poster, he mentionated the incident in other way. And some attendees in that Power Morphicon (I didn't go, of course), talked about this, and most of them not in a flatter way about Samuel Benta. Some posters didn't have a reason to lie and blame an actor of your favorite series or labelled like that, even if he or she is a jerk, or the series was despised for the plot, or whatever. So, I don't buy it completely. Probably it was out of proportion, and I'm against "cancel culture", but I don't think I have enough information again.
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Post by Venusaur on Mar 6, 2020 6:04:39 GMT -5
Goddamn you people will believe anything as long as that person was a Power Ranger.
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Post by purplecreator on Mar 6, 2020 6:53:10 GMT -5
Wrong, dude! More like we believe what we know in our hearts rather than what other humans who tend to be assholes say!
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Mar 6, 2020 15:53:04 GMT -5
Bulb how do you get just cause x person is a actor we believe everything they say....
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Post by BradyMcKnight on Mar 6, 2020 16:17:42 GMT -5
other humans who tend to be assholes ...like Benta.
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