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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 12:33:04 GMT -5
This question applies to both Toku and PR but I cant be asked to cross post it. I read a lot of stuff and I see a lot of people stress about continuity. Considering most PR seasons have rangers ask "What's a power ranger?!" or "I thought they were made up!" and not to mention their battles don't even affect the newer seasons. Why is it so important to fans?
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 25, 2017 14:42:21 GMT -5
For me for example continuity is nice. As we see world and universe in the show expand and grow over each new show and what not. And it's cool to get nods and winks to characters, events, and places from earlier stuff. It just makes the show feel and act bigger. The oh every show is its own thing and no overlap of things from past shows. Personally I like it like how marvel and DC for example are with there comic universe you got one main world where things are happening. Then various stuff from one book can appear in another book.
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Post by PowerKamenSentai on Oct 25, 2017 15:29:40 GMT -5
Personally, I feel like we have a series that's been going on for 20 years, it would be nice to at least TRY to have them connected, just so we feel like it's in one universe. It's cool to be able the think that the characters have interacted with each other, or think about, how certain characters were impacted by certain events that happened in the series. (C2D for example)
It wouldn't even be hard to keep everything in at least a little continuity. Just stop having them say "What's a Power Ranger!?" every year and that will instantly make things easier.
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Post by fuferthought on Oct 25, 2017 15:54:13 GMT -5
I wouldnt mind just so we can keep likable characters. There are really no popular rangers after Time Force. They all seem to just fade. Koda wouldve been a great ranger to keep around for Ninja Steel. It couldve went without his brother (and I like Preston). I definitely wouldve took Tyler over Brody...
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Post by cd on Oct 25, 2017 16:57:43 GMT -5
From Day 1 Power Rangers had established itself as being one big universe. Sure the continuity hasn't always been the strongest, at best it can even undermine itself, but the fact that for 3 decades PR has manage to maintain a single universe with only 2 seasons being AUs is quite impressive. Continuity has been something that's been reinforced through team-ups, references, past characters popping up. I get the impression most seasons want to be accessible to newer audiences or at least have their cake and eat it too (IE, they can make each season stand on it's own while still insisting it's all part of the same world). But overall it helps add to the world and makes the show's universe feel so much bigger.
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Post by xman on Oct 26, 2017 11:46:20 GMT -5
The real question is this...why is continuity NOT-SO important for the writers?! Because if the writers just don't give a damn about consistency and joint continuities, so why should we, the fandom and toku community care?!
I mean, they literally like to pock fun of the ideas that Power Rangers "aren't real" or that they're "characters from a comic book series" or whatever type of bullsh*t theory they like to believe in from other idiots that like to make up some lazy excuses about why Super Sentai have had some screwed up writing in establishing on which shows, movies and crossovers are cannon and which ones are not. Like it's a huge joke to them. I am looking at you, Jonathan Tzachor with your stupid-ass theory about the Disney-era seasons being non-cannon.
My issue with Emma's reaction in the Megaforce pilot episode, "Mega Mission" to not knowing what a Power Ranger is in the "anniversary TV series that is supposed to acknowledge that the franchise has lasted for over 20 years" is that she, herself was supposed to have known that maybe in the back of head, there are other teams of Power Rangers that came way before her, if this show was actually set in the very city that started it all...Angel Grove, but refurbished since the city is mostly stock footage and no one is gonna care. Or if it was better handled and better written. But, obviously, that was not the direction that they were going for all back then, all because they were told to just be lazy, not give a damn about story-telling, consistency, or the entire franchise itself because "it's all about them juicy toy-sales and kids are stupid!"
Then you have Shane, Dustin and Tori's little argument in the beginning of the Ninja Storm episode, "Prelude to the Storm" about whether or not Power Rangers are real in which I was offended at first, but now I am just mad at myself because of the fact that Dino Thunder officially made their argument in that episode completely irrelevant by retconning their adventure into a more "super serious" ninja-themed season and making Lothor a more competent and serious villain character in the team-up episode, "Thunder Storm", when many of know that he was just a comedic villain in Ninja Storm. Not a very well-written comedic villain in my opinion, but he can totally kick the Ninja Storm rangers' asses. I mean maybe if Disney wanred to start off with a clean slate for Power Rangers in their era of Power Rangers, then why bother trying to add consistency with Ninja Storm to Dino Thunder?! Why not just say that Ninja Storm is set in another universe like they tried to do with RPM? That would work for me.
All I can say is this, we, the fans take consistency and joint continuities very seriously because we actually do care about this franchise. But what about the writers and producer..do they care about what we think at all?! Do they actually listen to what we want to see happen in Power Rangers, are they taking their jobs very seriously?!
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Post by cd on Oct 26, 2017 17:39:39 GMT -5
Dude, the comic book line was simply meant to be a joke, nothing more nothing less. It was never to indicate Ninja Storm was in its own universe, in fact, it was always intended to be in the same universe as the other season (Heck, it's even a nice callback to the Ninja Turtles thinking the Power Rangers were just comic book characters too).
Plus if we were being honest with ourselves, the show always been weird about how the rangers are viewed in-universe. Zordon era made it pretty clear the Rangers were well-known heroes after In Space things got screwy. The Galaxy Rangers had no problem being seen with the Space Rangers in public and Karone was able to freely roam around Terra Venture despite having been the Princess of Evil the year before. The Lightspeed Rangers had public identities yet they were treated as bland public workers then celebrities; Hell Coco Cashmere wanted Dana as a model because she was hot and stacked, not because she was the Pink Ranger. And less not forget the infamous, "There's no such as monsters dear" line.
Blue Bay Harbor didn't seem to be aware it even had it's own Power Rangers until Dustin stopped those sabotagers. The Overdrive Rangers did an interview on national television and the characters acted like it was the first time it's ever happen. Clearly in the PRU the Rangers are known enough to lift their heads high, but not as known to get a swelled head.
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Post by Armanzy on Oct 30, 2017 5:07:05 GMT -5
For a show so proud of its age they do have a strange disinterest in the continuity between certain series. The first few series did it really well and then even through the Disney ones they made an effort, but neo-Saban doesn't seem to care much at all. Even when they dragged back all the older characters for Super Megaforce there was no thought in how the current world had seen all these groups before and developed around them. There is so much depth that could be added with very little work, just a bit more thinking. Heck, there's a whole lot of fanfiction better written than some of the new Saban stuff, and I'm sure fanfiction writers would be cheaper than whoever's playing around with the writing over there.
One of me favourite continuity nods was from the start of Jungle Fury. RJ's line when he gives the team their morphers... 'You've heard of power rangers, right? Well guess what? You... be... them.' Theo immediately jumps in with 'No way! Ever since I was a little kid I always wanted to be a... I mean, if that's what it takes..." Clearly in that world, they have existed for a long time, and are a distant source of inspiration but still easily forgotten.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 30, 2017 6:04:06 GMT -5
Well the start of neo Saban Era you can clearly blame that disconnect to past to jt. As he wanted to decannonize the Disney years and wanted to treat or more like sentai. Where each show was it's own thing and crossover only happens for anni/crossover events. Though his ideas where veto from the higher ups.
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Post by xman on Oct 30, 2017 10:30:56 GMT -5
Actually, I would have to argue that the only sentai team-ups that I would considered to be cannon to several sentai shows based on my personal experiences with the franchise are Gingaman vs Megaranger, Timeranger vs. GoGo-V, Dekaranger vs. Abaranger, and probably Gekiranger vs. Boukenger, Shinkenger vs. Go-Onger. But, Goseiger vs. Shinkengeramong the more controversial team-ups since it is some-what tied to episode 40 of Gokaiger, but not by much. I guess Boukenger vs. Super Sentai is pseudo-cannon and well, Magiranger vs. Dekaranger is also controversial in continuity placements, but I can't really tell. GoGo-V vs. Gingaman...possibly cannon, but I will have to double-check. Now, Ohranger vs, Kakuranger, yeah non-cannon, Megaranger vs. Carranger's placement in the main Megaranger TV storyline just raises a lot of questions. Carranger vs, Ohranger's placemeny is really confusing because wasn't Ohranger's main TV storyline supposed to be set in 1999? Go-Busters vs. Gokaiger isn't even cannon to Go-Busters main TV storyline, so I would say tgat it's set in an alternate timeline. Hurricaneger vs. Gaoranger holds no place in Hurricanger's main storyline as does Abaranger vs. Hurricanger. The rest, I will get into later.
But yeah, I kind of blame Tzachor's idiocy for trying to disconnect the past seasons with the Neo-Saban era starting with Samurai and Super Samurai because he thinks that's what happened in the sentai, when in reality...it wasn't. Now, I am just worried about whether or Ninja Steel and Super Ninja Steel will even be a part of the main Power Rangers universe or is it just gonna be set in it's own separate universe like what Dino Charge and Dino Super Charge tried to do.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Oct 30, 2017 10:49:42 GMT -5
Well we know the higher ups at Saban brands love all of or. So really to its stated on screen or by a character I still consider everything is all the same universe besides of course rpm, original mmpr movie, and the new pr movie. So mm thru jf and samurai thru present all one world. And the others offshots.
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Post by cd on Oct 30, 2017 18:32:07 GMT -5
Well here's the thing: We have no evidence whatsoever that suggests Johnny T ever tried to fragment Power Rangers's continuity. The only source we had on that was Chris Funaro and given how a lot of his BTS "info" has been proven false other the years, there's a good chance that bit was never true. Plus given what we've learned about Tzachor, he doesn't strike me as the type to care about continuity that badly or go around de-canonizing seasons (I know some people point to RPM, but Eddie and John Tellegen have said it was in it's own universe so Tzachor basically respected their wishes. Shocking, I know).
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Post by xman on Oct 31, 2017 8:40:12 GMT -5
Well we know the higher ups at Saban brands love all of or. So really to its stated on screen or by a character I still consider everything is all the same universe besides of course rpm, original mmpr movie, and the new pr movie. So mm thru jf and samurai thru present all one world. And the others offshots. But that also raises even more questions about the state of Megaforce/Super Megaforce being placed in the main Power Rangers universe and the characters not knowing or not being fully aware the the past ranger teams are even real or if all the other world-wide events from "Countdown to Destruction" to "Samurai Forever" actually did happened. That series treated all the past seasons like they were just a "fairytale" to the Megaforce team. I mean, many of us have questioned where Gosei even got those ranger keys if RPM is set in another universe and the B-Squad from SPD and four of the Time Force rangers are from different timelines, and then the majority of Mighty Morphin team have lost their powers, permanently along with the Turbo powers and the Ninja Storm powers. Because last I've checked, the only ones who still have their old powers were Jason due to "Forever Fed" being pseudo-cannon, the Zeo Rangers, Justin, and TJ because Lightning Cruiser and Storm Blaster had some spare morphers. The Robot Rangers from Turbo were never killed off. The Space Rangers' powers were never lost in battle, Lost Galaxy through Wild Force's powers are still active it's just that most of those ranger teams are on retirement. Dino Thunder lost theirs in battle, but it's only Connor, Ethan and Kira that got their powers fullr re-energized in the SPD episode, "History", SPD are still using their powers and are still on ranger duty in the future. Mystic Force is still questionable if they got their powers back, permanently or if it was just a one-off, Then Tori got her powers back in "Once A Ranger". Operation Overdrive and Jungle Fury didn't lose theirs in battle and lastly RPM and Samurai/Super Samurai powers are still active, but it's only RPM that is retired. But the Samurai Rangers are only going their separate ways, but can only be back whenever there's "another nighlok attack". But seeing as though Octoroo is still alive and because we didn't have Goseiger vs. Shinkenger being adapted into an actual team-up between the Megaforce Rangers and the Samurai Rangers because of the "Legendary Battle" build-up, it's likely that Octoroo is just gonna sit around in the netherrealm soaking and moping around and do nothing to get his revenge for Master Xandred, story-wise. Which is even sadder because we never get to see any loose ends to Samurai/Super Samurai being tied up. And I have no idea why they even bothered to wait to the last minute to have only 11 veteran Power Rangers actors to fly from the U.S. to New Zealand for the entire month of filming the legendary battle just to have them do nothing but stand around, look all stoic and confident, rescue civillians on-screen, have little-to-no interaction with the Megaforce team on-screen and be sent back to the U.S. just so the invitations can be sent back for budget restraints. Because, story-wise, I don't even know if the Legendary Rangers that were seen on-screen in Super Megaforce are even the actual real versions of the characters, or were just manifestations forged by the ranger keys, themselves. Hell, I don't even wanna bother to ask about the whole "Karone/Astronema" close-up shot, if that was or wasn't the real Karone, or why Mentor Jii and Jayden are seen together riding motorcycles, if they actually were there or not and that awfully edited version of the Megaforce team dancing to Mia and Antonio with Terry and his band from the Super Samurai episode, He Ain't Heavy Metal, He's My Brother". Because I am not gonna clear answer from anybody. And I am not gonna just blindly accept it either. All I can do is acknowledge the fact that Megaforce/Super Megaforce was a really bad example of how not to celebrate or acknowledge the existence of the established history in Power Rangers and the actual continuity that came before the Neo-Saban era seasons. And to give out one of the biggest middle fingers to fans, non-fans and to the actors (both stage and suit actors) and higher-ups as well. And believe me, despite the fact that he was not fully active during the production of Megaforce/Super Megaforce and from what I have been hearing from other sources and articles, Haim Saban was not very pleased with the way that this series did not meet the numbers that he was expecting to see. Nor was he satified that his vision of the 20th anniversary in Power Rangers ended up being what we had actually gotten in the TV series of Megaforce/Super Megaforce. I mean, "Once A Ranger" was a bad example of how not to make an anniversay team-up in Power Rangers, but at least it acknowledged that the past seasons did exist, and that they do matter. Even if the execution of Adam and Alpha 6's appearance and what they will be doing together after Thrax's defeat in the team-up episode was really shoddy. To this day, I still don't know which is the absolute worst example of celebrating the established history of a tokusatsu series, "Let's Go Kamen Riders" by Shoji Younemura or the Legendary Battle of Super Megaforce (both the TV and Extended Versions).
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Post by hinata68 on Oct 31, 2017 11:01:00 GMT -5
Well from what I've seen through Dino Charge Part 1 (DVD or Stream) I can say this having watched the 1st 800 regular episodes and here's my theory.
It's not so much as a direct adaption in a few cases as being able to use the base series to tell a good story.
Having seen Dino Charge Part 1 that sort of proved that theory you can tell an origional solid story.
If things from whatever source show are used right and you have a solid plot to back that up any series can be a strong Power Rangers adaption.
I thought Mega Force could have gone an extra year to extend on the Ultra episodes.
I also don't know if it be true or not about the filler episodes.
Some of them have been decent.
True individually each series could come off weak or have a bad plot but I look at Power Rangers as a whole.
I had those opinions about Lightspeed Rescue and Wild Force till I had rewatched them.
I am starting to warm up to Turbo despite Justin nearly killing it for me.
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Post by AlwaysARanger85 on Nov 1, 2017 16:10:29 GMT -5
cman reaslly it isnt to different then other shows not really saying stuff. and all that. You can blame that more on writers and not. With not saying throw nods to past stuff or what not. Like mesogog threw out a comment about lothor in start of dt for example. I do wish they did throw nods and winks out more. But that is a issue when there been many many different writers and producers on a show. And its ultimately up to the ones in charge what they want to do with a show.
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